page 1 of 33; games 1-25 of 823  Game   Result Moves Year Event/Locale Opening 1. Staunton vs Cochrane   0-1 29 1841 London m1 C46 Three Knights 2. Staunton vs Von Der Lasa   0-1 47 1853 Brussels C46 Three Knights 3. Paulsen vs Morphy 0-1 23 1857 New York C46 Three Knights 4. Paulsen vs Morphy 1-0 34 1857 New York USA-ch 4th match C46 Three Knights 5. Arnhem vs Leiden 1-0 41 1862 City Match C46 Three Knights 6. E Zoltowski vs Zukertort   0-1 26 1869 Berlin C46 Three Knights 7. Paulsen vs Steinitz 0-1 37 1870 Baden-Baden C46 Three Knights 8. S Rosenthal vs J Wisker 0-1 46 1870 London m1 C46 Three Knights 9. Paulsen vs Anderssen   1-0 35 1870 Baden-Baden m C46 Three Knights 10. Paulsen vs Anderssen ½-½ 56 1870 Baden-Baden m C46 Three Knights 11. H D Smith vs F Elder   0-1 27 1871 Cleveland C46 Three Knights 12. A Schwarz vs Bird 0-1 47 1873 Vienna C46 Three Knights 13. Blackburne vs Meitner 1-0 32 1873 Vienna (Austria) C46 Three Knights 14. S Rosenthal vs Steinitz 0-1 38 1873 Vienna (Austria) C46 Three Knights 15. J Heral vs Meitner 0-1 23 1873 Vienna C46 Three Knights 16. J Heral vs Gelbfuhs   0-1 43 1873 Vienna C46 Three Knights 17. Paulsen vs Steinitz 1-0 17 1873 Vienna C46 Three Knights 18. S Rosenthal vs M Fleissig   1-0 18 1873 Vienna C46 Three Knights 19. S Rosenthal vs Robert 1-0 18 1874 Simultaneous display C46 Three Knights 20. S Rosenthal vs Dermenon   1-0 36 1874 Simultaneous display C46 Three Knights 21. Paulsen vs Anderssen   1-0 104 1876 Leipzig m C46 Three Knights 22. Paulsen vs Anderssen ½-½ 83 1876 Leipzig m C46 Three Knights 23. Paulsen vs Anderssen 1-0 60 1876 Leipzig m C46 Three Knights 24. Metger vs W Paulsen   1-0 41 1877 Leipzig C46 Three Knights 25. Paulsen vs Winawer 0-1 35 1877 Leipzig C46 Three Knights  page 1 of 33; games 1-25 of 823    REFINE SEARCH:   White wins (1-0) | Black wins (0-1) | Draws (1/2-1/2)

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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing > Jan-11-04    refutor: ah i see...and yes i just finished the marathon ;) Mar-21-04    Vischer: does anyone know what is the best way to avoid the boring four knights as black after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Mar-21-04    refutor: <best way to avoid the four knight as black> well in that move order (the petroff move order 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3) the best is 3. ... Bb4! v. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 i am partial to 3. ...f5 with play similar to either a latvian gambit or a schliemann depending on white's fourth move...give it a try :) Mar-21-04    ruylopez900: <Another Way> don't play your second Knight out. as White, go to the Spanish or Italian or Scotch or (if he's played 2...Nc6 then capture on e5. Mar-21-04    youngplayer11: <Vischer>Well if you play 2...Nc6 Than try 3..Bc5 amd if you play 2..Nf6 than play 3..Bb4.Thats the way Bronstein says in his book 200 open games. Mar-22-04    tpstar: I love this free advice! Highly informative too, because I always thought 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 was Petrov proper, whereas 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 was 3N proper, but both are considered 3N openings. Vischer, I had the exact same question about 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 = what's better than 3 ... Nf6 and another symmetrical (boring) game? The problem with 3. Nc3 Bc5 is the Fork Trick 4. Nxe5! Nxe5 5. d4 regaining the piece with a free hand. The database shows 3 ... Bc5 4. Nxe5! 71.8% win/20.5% loss, compared to 3 ... Nf6 33.6% win/24.3% loss. So Black loses more and wins less with 3 ... Bc5 vs. 3 ... Nf6. This idea shows up in the 4N (4. Bc4?! Nxe4!) and the Two Knights Defense (3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3?! Nxe4!); both of these subvariations have great percentages for Black, so maybe the 4N isn't so bad after all. Before anyone tries 3 ... f5!?, remember that 4. Bb5 transposes to the Ruy Lopez Schliemann, where White scores very well, and also find Breyer-von Balla (Bad Pistyan, 1912): 4. d4 fe 5. Nxe5 Nf6 6. Bc4 d5 7. Nxd5! Nxd5 8. Qh5+ with a rout. Mar-23-04    refutor: <tpstar> am i the only one who doesn't see the route after 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Nxg6 hxg6 10.Qxg6+ Kd7 11.Qf7+ Qe7 12.Qxd5+ Qd6? and black is just better after 10.Qxh8 Ndb4. <4.Bb5 transposes to the schliemann where WHite scores very well> oh does he? check out the position after 4. ... Nf6 Opening Explorer that's all you can ask for out of an opening as black :) maybe it's sound theoretically, maybe it's not...i think it gives good chances as black and is exactly what white is *not* looking for when he plays 3.Nc3 Mar-23-04    ruylopez900: <1 Q> I was wondering if 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Was known as the Three Knights or as the Two Knights Defence.... Thanks. Mar-23-04    refutor: <ruylopez900> even though three knights are on the board it is known as the two knights defense Two Knights Defense (C55) Mar-23-04    ruylopez900: <refutor> Thanks. I thought so but with 3 Knights on I wasn't sure. Mar-23-04    tpstar: My sincere apologies for steering this thread off course. 1) Breyer-von Balla finished with 8. Qh5+ g6 9. Nxg6! hxg6 10. Qxg6+ Kd7 11. Bxd5 (Threat = 12. Qe6++ - if 11 ... Nxd4 12. Bg5 Be7 [12 ... Qe8 13. Bf7 Qe5 14. 0-0-0] 13. Be6+! Nxe6 14. Rd1+.) so Black chose 11 ... Qe8 12. Bf7 Qe7 13. Bg5 Ne5 14. Qf5+ 1-0 (14 ... Kc6 15. Qxe4+ & 16. Bxe7; 14 ... Kd6/Kd8 15. Bxe7+). Improvements could be posted here, also under this specific reference game. 2) I mentioned 4. Bb5 because Black must always consider transposition possibilities in opening play. Sure White might do want you want (3. Nc3 f5!? 4. Bb5) but usually they do what they want (3. Nc3 f5!? 4. d4!). Refutor, I admire your zeal, but let's debate the Schliemann in another format. Nov-18-04    Swapmeet: Anyone play or have an opinion on the 3. ... g6 line? According to the explorer its the second most played response to Nc3. I always play this line but lately I seem to be having trouble with it, because when white eventually plays Bg5 it seems very strong. Apr-16-05    chessnewbie: What do you guys think of the Halloween Attack? Oct-31-05    visceral infestation: Halloween attack is solving many problems for me. I use Nc3 to start and come across a similar position often. I'm not sure how sound the attack is, but at least it has some flare. May-19-06    Kwesi: Apparently, a refutation of the Halloween attack is (from above position) 3...Nf6 4.Nxe5 Nxe5 5.d4 Nc6 6.d5 Bb4! 7.dxc6 Nxe4 8.Qd4 Qe7 May-19-06    borisbadenoff: <Kwesi> You're pretty quick a saying that. Where is the refutation here? I just play on with 9. Be3 May-19-06    ganstaman: I don't know, I've played the Halloween Gambit for a while. To me, it seems that black wins as long as he doesn't blunder away his extra piece. Otherwise, I think he can hold on to it and win an easy game once white's attack dies down. As white, the variation I hate the most is 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 etc. White then plays Qf3 and Bc4, but nothing really comes of it. Black just plays ...d5 and ...Be6, if memory serves me correctly. There's really no reason not to fully accept the gambit unless you are that unsure of your defensive play (but then you probably never stood much chance to begin with -- believe in yourself!). May-21-06    WTHarvey: Here are 10 puzzles from Three Knights Game miniatures: http://www.wtharvey.com/c46.html What's the best move? Sep-04-06    Robin01: After the following line, 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Bc5, white played g3. Does anyone know whether this is good for white? What is black's best continuation now? Thanks. Sep-04-06    NateDawg: <Robin01> It is unusual for White to fianchetto in the classical openings such as the King's Pawn Game. However, Black's best continuation after 1. e4 e5 2. f3 c6 3. c3 c5 4. g3 is probably simply 4...f6. Then after 5. g2 d6 6. d3 0-0 7. 0-0, Fritz 9 evaluates the position as = (-0.17). Sep-05-06    Robin01: I appreciate the answer. Thanks. Oct-31-06    Castle In The Sky: The Halloween Attack is one of my favorite blitz game openings. You sac a knight for a lot of initiative. I have won a large number of games in under 20 moves using the Attack. White's ideas are to try to get your pawn to d6, prevent black from castling and develop a blistering center attack. In longer games, many times, my opponent has returned the piece plus to try to develop. Oct-31-06    WarmasterKron: I like the Halloween Attack, even though I've never won a game with it! It's about the only interesting thing that can come out of a Four Knights, really. Feb-23-09    WhiteRook48: actually the best way to avoid the 4 knights opening is to play the Sicilian Defense! Apr-30-09    WhiteRook48: are there any games from this opening continuing 3...Nf6 4 Bc4 Nxe4! ? < Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing >

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