< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 10 OF 10 ·
|Jul-15-14|| ||zanzibar: <RE: Benko / Fischer (1971)>|
Using SCID to filter out games from 1970 for the two players is rather revealing:
... White (57g) 79.8% (+40 -6 =11)
... Black (49g) 78.6% (+29 -1 =19)
... White (30g) 68.3% (+12 -1 =17)
... Black (30g) 63.4% (+13 -5 =12)
Benko knew this was Fischer's time, and understood the implications. I believe he did it for the legacy of the game.
This must have come up in an interview, or elsewhere. I'd be very surprised if Benko's own thoughts aren't published on the matter.
|Jul-15-14|| ||Lt.Surena: There were at least 5 other US players (ahead of Bobby) who were eligible to take Benko's place
in 1971 Candidate's match when Benko mysteriously quit and refused to play.|
* Flushed his chess ambitions down the toilet in a flash. What was Benko's real motivation?
What was USCF's (or its agents) role in the above shenanigans $$$? Did FIDE provide
$$$ to Benko or others? Why was Euwe so willing to go along?
|Jul-15-14|| ||Granny O Doul: Benko earned a spot in the 1970 Interzonal, not the Candidates. And ceding one's place to another is different from "quitting and refusing to play".|
|Jul-15-14|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: The story I heard was that after Benko gave up his spot in the 1970 Interzonal, all the other participants in that US Championship tournament were eligible for that spot, and all of them agreed that Fischer should go instead. Maybe they were all paid off, but somehow I doubt it.|
|Jul-15-14|| ||Lt.Surena: The whole thing smells like a rat. Benko loses all his chess aspirations to pursue Wold championship series in 71 in a flash.
Five people eligible to attend ahead of Bobby also lose interest in World Championship title pursuit. FIDE's chief
does not even raise an eyebrow.
Was Benko payed off $$$ or otherwise under the table by the USCF or FIDE?
How about the other 5 or so players who were eligible ahead of Bobby? Was their silence bought?
|Jul-15-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Once again, I'd be happy to look at any evidence you have.|
|Jul-15-14|| ||zanzibar: <Lt.Surena> how about this...|
Every single player in the US realized that, other than Fischer, they would be chewed up and spit out on the ground competing against the Russians (Soviets).
Only Fischer had a chance at winning, and they all knew it.
It would make sense to get out of the way, because, lo and behold, he did win it.
Imagine being known forever as the player that prevented Fischer from winning the WCC - how much is that legacy worth?
|Jul-15-14|| ||Eggman: It seems unlucky that American chess players would give up their own title aspirations in favour of Fischer, given his undoubted mediocrity; some sort of conspiracy must have been afoot.|
The above is sarcasm.
|Jul-15-14|| ||perfidious: <GSM: The story I heard was that after Benko gave up his spot in the 1970 Interzonal, all the other participants in that US Championship tournament were eligible for that spot, and all of them agreed that Fischer should go instead....>|
This is correct--<all> other non-qualifiers in the 1969 Zonal had to relinquish their rights to Fischer in order for him to take a place at Palma.
|Jul-15-14|| ||tamar: Pal Benko's account
<Incidentally, I must point out here that a misconception exists as to how Fischer came to play in the Palma Interzonal in 1970 even though he had not qualified in the previous zonal. It has been widely and erroneously reported in the foreign press that I was paid a certain sum to give up my place in his favor (I had qualified in the 1969 U.S. Championship, which was the zonal and in which Fischer did not play). The idea for me to step down and give Fischer my place was my own; it was made voluntarily and without pressure from anyone. I felt that as one of the world's strongest players he should have the right to participate in that critical Interzonal. The U.S. Chess Federation had always treated me well; by my action I hoped to show my gratitude. (The USCF had given me the opportunity to qualify for the Interzonal in Amsterdam in 1964 by arranging a match between Bisguier, who had qualified, and me, who had not. And there have been many other things for which I am grateful to the USCF.)
The figure $2,000 is sometimes mentioned as the price I was paid for stepping down. Actually, that fee was paid, but it was for my services as second to Reshevsky and Addison at that tournament - and it is the same amount I would have received as an appearance fee had I actually played. The only condition I asked for stepping down was for Fischer to agree not to withdraw from the Interzonal or the ensuing matches should he qualify for them - and he fulfilled this condition. -- Chess Life & Review, July 1975>
|Jul-15-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Thank you Tamar.
Though you know and I know you will have to repeat this in about a years time.
Bookmark the post.
|Jul-15-14|| ||zanzibar: Second that.
You can do a right-click <Copy Link> on the date of any post to get a quick link directly now.
E.g. Pal Benko
|Jul-15-14|| ||tamar: <Sally Simpson> Oh, right, I forgot. I changed my mind anyway.|
After all, Benko was a Hungarian, and Fischer had a Hungarian birth father.
In fact, Benko wore sunglasses to disguise his third eye. He was sent here to install Fischer as World Champion, and then play out the role of a problem composer.
|Jul-15-14|| ||Lt.Surena: Gotta be very naive to believe the childish explanation by Benko. There must have been big payoff(s) or favors to Benko and the 5 other eligible players (ahead of Bobby). No fool will
pursue chess at the highest level (considering the time and energy involved) and then quit when its time for world championship candidates matches. |
Scam concocted must have started at USCF with a nod and wink from the top dog (Euwe)
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...
|Jul-15-14|| ||perfidious: <Lt.Surena: Gotta be very naive to believe the childish explanation by Benko.>|
We should plump for yours instead?
Who is displaying naivete of the first water here?
|Jul-15-14|| ||Eggman: <Lt Surena> Is it so unbelievable that, in the interests of American chess, five American players who had no serious title hopes would give up their place to a man who was (rightly) seen as an uncrowned king? Don't you think that they, like every other chess fan on the planet (non-Americans, too), were excited about the prospect of seeing a Spassky-Fischer World Championship Match?|
|Jul-15-14|| ||zanzibar: <Lt.Surena>
You're entitled to your opinion, which has provoked some discussion here.
But you're starting to sound a bit redundant to my ears...
If it talks like a troll, and trollops like a troll...
|Jul-15-14|| ||zanzibar: Oh, yeah, in Mozilla you can do a right-click <Bookmark Link> too, to get a direct "perma-link" to a post bookmarked.|
(I'm sure all the other browsers do the same)
|Jul-15-14|| ||NBAFan: Happy birthday Mr. Benko!|
|Jul-15-14|| ||HeMateMe: But for Pal Benko, Bobby Fischer would not have become world champion of chess.|
|Jul-19-14|| ||Howard: If one wanted to accurately summarize the story of how Fischer got a "free ticket" into the 1970 interzonal, it would go like this...|
Fischer opted not to play in the 1969 U.S. championship with the main reason probably being that he had complained for the last few years that it ought to be a longer tournament---he felt that with only 12 players competing (as was the case back in the 1960's), there was too much of a luck element involved. In other words, he felt that a longer tournament would probably produce a more accurate result.
In fact, he had passed up the 1968 event too. The late Larry Evans won it, and it was his third time around.
So the 1969 championship went on without Bobby. Reshevsky, Benko, and Addison took the top three players, and they no doubt were looking forward to the Interzonal, the following year.
But there was this strong nagging feeling among many people--including at the USCF--that given the fact that Fischer was obviously the strongest player in the U.S. (by far !) and also that he was certainly one of the top 6-7 players in the world at the time (before anyone claims that he was #1, keep in mind that he'd not played in any super-tough events in 1968 or 1969---thus, his recent track record was thin, at best.
So the USCF--with Ed Edmondson probably being the leading advocate--contacted FIDE and after a lot of wrangling, debate etc, FIDE stated that if one of the three American qualifers would be willing to step aside and let Fischer go to the interzonal in his place, then FIDE would accept that arrangement.
Benko immediately offered to let Fischer take his place. However, the other nine players in the championship (who'd placed below the top three) had to waive any claims to that spot. In other words, any one of them could have said, in effect, "Well, if Benko doesn't want his spot, then why can't I(!) have it ??! I took part in the 1969 championship and tried hard to make it into the top three but didn't. Fischer opted not to play---that was his decision/fault." Why should he go to the interzonal instead of me or one of the players who took part?"
At any rate, the other players ceded their rights to Fischer, and so he thus "parachuted" into the interzonal.
The rest of the story is, of course, quite well known. Come 1972, Fischer became the 11th world chess championship.
Incidentally, Benko not only commented on the matter in 1975 (as stated above), but in 1981 he did so again in Chess Life (formerly Chess Life and Review). He briefly summarized why he gave his spot to Bobby, and then concluded by saying, "When Fischer became world champion, I was certainly pleased that he justified my decision. But after that..."
Well put, Mr. Benko !
|Jul-20-14|| ||Lt.Surena: God forbid the scam was not perpetrated by the the so-called 'Russians' or we would never hear the end of it. Clowns like Evans, Soltis, Browne and Timman would never stop talking/or pounding their chests about it.|
Also, FIDE's chief stooge/puppet aka. Euwe would never agree to the scam unless western players benefited from it.
|Jul-20-14|| ||Karposian: <Lt.Surena> <Also, FIDE's chief stooge/puppet aka. Euwe would never agree to the scam unless western players benefited from it.>|
Utter nonsense. Max Euwe was well-liked and respected by almost everybody. As FIDE president, Euwe usually did what he considered morally right rather than what was politically expedient. An honorable person in every way.
|Jul-20-14|| ||perfidious: Euwe was indeed a man of honour, quite unlike successors Campomanes and Ilyumzhinov.|
|Sep-17-14|| ||perfidious: Quote of the day:
<Under no circumstances should you play fast if you have a winning position. Forget the clock, Use all your time and make good moves.>
From a man who should know, and nearly always sound practical advice.
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 10 OF 10 ·