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Sep-05-14
 | | juan31: Master Carlsen most win |
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| Sep-05-14 | | twinlark: Looks like a theoretical draw. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | MiDKnighTx: I don't get why the a pawn can't advance here |
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| Sep-05-14 | | kevinatcausa: Looks like the sort of position that's either a draw (if I'm white) or a white win(if I'm black). I just have no good intuition for rook endings. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | WinKing: < twinlark: Looks like a theoretical draw. > Yeah I think this is in Smyslov & Levenfish rook endings. Been so long since I have read that book. Rook endings are a complete mystery. |
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Sep-05-14
 | | perfidious: <twinlark: Looks like a theoretical draw.> Indeed it does--the famous game Botvinnik vs Fischer, 1962 might well have come down to the same thing. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | JASAHA: Based on material some of these positions are drawn. Some can be won! |
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| Sep-05-14 | | The Last Straw: Tablebase gives a draw. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | The Last Straw: Aronian seems to be finding all of the drawing moves. Good job! |
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| Sep-05-14 | | The Last Straw: Carlsen gave up. It's officially a draw. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | norami: I remember Botvinnik's comment - "Theoretically this ending is drawn. Every Russian schoolboy knows this." |
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| Sep-05-14 | | SuperPatzer77: Of course, it's a clear draw because of a Vančura position. Well-played game by Aronian. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | JASAHA: I would like to see a computer analysis of this ending. I have a feeling that
the 3 p advantage could have been winning. Of course traditional theory points to
a draw but computers are not traditional :) |
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| Sep-05-14 | | Marmot PFL: The critical thing is the activity of black's rook. As Kinghunt, Finegold and others said 46 Kc2 stops Rb3 and black is in zug. Carlsen was upset to miss that. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | bobthebob: very disrespectful for Magnus to play on when he knew what every Russian schoolboy knows, it was a draw. Did he think Aronian was not as knowledgeable as a Russian school boy? Shameful for the WC to act like this. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | SugarDom: This is a win for white in gladiator chess, as the white king will reach the 8th rank sooner than black. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | bobthebob: Surprising that Carlsen didn't play on in the final positioning with the hope that he didn't think Aronian knew it was a draw and maybe he would flag. |
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Sep-05-14
 | | MissScarlett: < Tarjei J. Svensen @TarjeiJS ยท 2h #SinqCup Carlsen completely winning now, his 22nd consecutive game vs Aronian without a loss. (via @Gegga1)> Not quite; I think it's 23 games: +6 =17, and the gap seems wider than ever. I suppose we have to be grateful to Fabi that Magnus now has a serious challenger. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | csmath: Magnus played well but missed the win with 46. h6? which is a mistake in move order. If he had played 46. Kc2 which is actually more natural move he would have won the game. Not simple but the win was there and it was not so hard after that. 46. Kc2 would have been played by much smaller player than Magnus but somehow he missed that. This is one of those moments where everything you build over time goes up in smoke on one wrong move. Makes you want to hit the wall. Aronian must feel elated in the end as the game was a slow torture for him throughout while he was more or less in stir all of the time. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | AlexandraThess: Such a weak player that Carlson punk. Can't even win a basic rook endgame.... |
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| Sep-05-14 | | csmath: Very lucky escape for Aronian, it took just one wrong move and the move that is really quite ordinary but somehow Magnus blew it. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | AlexandraThess: Ahahahaha, If Smyslov was alive to see this he would turn in his grave. Such a shame!!! |
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| Sep-05-14 | | Jim Bartle: First time I've ever watched rook vs. rook and three rook pawns. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | visayanbraindoctor: The Black rook gives stays laterally and keeps checking. The Black King stays in the vicinity of the g7 square, guarding aginst the advance of the h pawn while not allowing the White rook to check it on the 8th rank which gains a tempo for White to queen the a pawn. Notice that Aronian immediately moved his rook laterally with the Rb3 and Rb5 maneuver when Carlsen allowed him to, which he could have prevented by 46. Kc2. 18. Qc5 exchanges Queens, simplifying into a typical Carlsen endgame grind. Carlsen went back to his his tried and tested positional style in this game. It worked out just fine, but he got careless in the Rook endgame. I can already hear grumpy old Korchnoi, the Rook endgame master par excellence, muttering his complaints about the new generation's knowledge of rook endgames if he saw this game. |
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| Sep-05-14 | | AlexandraThess: AlexandraThess: <bobthebob: very disrespectful for Magnus to play on when he knew what every Russian schoolboy knows, it was a draw. Did he think Aronian was not as knowledgeable as a Russian school boy? Shameful for the WC to act like this.>
Yes, indeed. Karlson's been a shame for chess ever since he luckily became WC. |
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