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Feb-26-18 | | pdxjjb: After Fischer's mistake and the exchange on move 42, SF9 thinks 43 Rc7 is the only strong move for Botvinnik, and 43 Ra3 was a serious mistake. At significant depth (39+ ply on branches and much deeper on some), SF rates Rc7 as -0.4 (small advantage for Fischer) and Ra3 as -2.0, and as the analysis depth increases, it likes Rc7 less and less. SF says the game might have continued e.g. 43. Ra3 a5 44. Rd3 Rb4 45. h4+ Kf5 46. Rf3+ Ke6 47. Re3+ Kd6 48. Rd3+ Ke5 49. a3 Rb2 50. Rd7 Rb3+ 51. Kg4 Rxa3 52. Rb7 Rb3 53. Rxh7 ... |
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Feb-27-18 | | pdxjjb: ^^^ OK, I see the computer annotated score has this variation. |
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Feb-27-18 | | Charlie Durman: <RookFile> is on the money . I find myself agreeing with most of his posts.
Fischer , the teenage Fischer, was surpassing the ageing tired Botvinnik by this game .. Botvinnik being propped up by Geller and the rest of the Soviet School of Chess. lol |
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Feb-27-18
 | | keypusher: < Charlie Durman: <RookFile> is on the money .
I find myself agreeing with most of his posts.
Fischer , the teenage Fischer, was surpassing the ageing tired Botvinnik by this game .. Botvinnik being propped up by Geller and the rest of the Soviet School of Chess. lol> No matter what you call yourself, you'll always be Harry Lime, International Spammaster. |
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Jan-29-20 | | Petrosianic: Bizarro Comment of the Day, in an article about this game: <Fischer and Botvinnik have pretty much slipped into obscurity as the chess world moves on and the chess understanding of today's top players has surpassed theirs, but at Varna in 1962, one of the most looked forward to games was the World Champion Botvinnik against the hopeful Fischer.> http://tartajubow.blogspot.com/2016... Anyone who thinks that non-recent World Champions have slipped into obscurity must not be very much into chess. |
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Jan-29-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
I agree Petrosianic it is rather odd, especially with Fischer and the fact an english translation of the 2015 book: 'Bobby Fischer, The Final Years' was recently published. C.N. 11654
Edward Winter adds:
"Among the many dozens of volumes about Fischer, Sverrisson’s exceptionally informative and gripping work stands out, and for as long as interest in Fischer endures, it will be avidly read and quoted." But the linked lad is just a casual chess blogger and therefore totally sane, not chess daft like you, me and a load of others here. He missed out the best bit when these two met. 'The Three Words' it is bloggers gold dust. "Botvinnik told me: "Fischer has only spoken three words to me in his life. When we were introduced, he pointed to himself and said 'Fischer'. When we sat down to play here, we bumped heads and he said 'Sorry'. At the end of the game, he said 'Draw'." https://www.theguardian.com/obituar... *** |
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Jan-30-20
 | | perfidious: <Petrosianic>, that bit of strangeness coming, moreover, from a blogger who styles himself with the portmanteau 'Tartajubow'. |
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Jan-30-20 | | Petrosianic: <perfidious>: I wonder if he imagines that nobody could imagine where that name comes from? If world champions are obscure, even older players who were never champion must be even more so. In fact, I'll bet that most posters here would have no trouble deciphering that name. |
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Jan-30-20
 | | offramp: <Petrosianic: <perfidious>: I wonder if he imagines that nobody could imagine where that name comes from? If world champions are obscure, even older players who were never champion must be even more so. In fact, I'll bet that most posters here would have no trouble deciphering that name.> It is a cross between <Petrosian> and <Ossianic> (Scots-Gaelic). |
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Jan-30-20 | | Petrosianic: <offramp> <It is a cross between <Petrosian> and <Ossianic> (Scots-Gaelic).> Not mine, we're talking about the name "Tartajubow". I'll bet that wouldn't vex you for a second. Mine is actually based on annotators who frequently use the phrase "Petrosianic maneuvering" in describing a long protracted series of maneuvers. So, in that context "Petrosianic" means "Like Petrosian". Your interpretation might be better than mine, though. Since the family does come from Scotland, I probably should have thought of that myself. |
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Jan-30-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Actually my post is a bit irrelevant because I've just noticed the lad posted this on Boxing Day 2016! Sorry, I thought this was a recent observation by Petrosianic. (who is to blame for this uncharacteristic error by me.) Perhaps back in 2016 Fischer and Botvinnik had slipped into obscurity and are only now making a comeback. |
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Dec-07-20 | | Justin796: Isn't there a cool photo out there of Fischer and Botvinnik at the conclusion of this game showing Fischer's frustration and Botvinnik's delight lol. |
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Dec-07-20
 | | Joshka: <Justin796> There is a 25 second clip on you tube somewhere...just type in their names and it should pull up. It's a very raw, no audio clip, mostly of the smiling Botvinnik who was happy with the draw;-) |
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Jan-23-21 | | Ancalagon: Curious about modern engine evaluation of Fischer's proposed 51...Kd4, after Rxg8 Stockfish 12 (Depth 47/99) evaluates the position as completely drawn: 1) 0.0 52... Rh1 53. Rg4+ Kc5 54. Kg2 Re1 55. Rg5+ Kc4 56. Rg4+ Kb3 57. Rg3+ Ka4 58. Rg4+ 2) 0.0 52... b5 53. h5 b4 54. h6 Rh1 55. Kg2 Rh5 56. Ra6 b3 57. Rxa7 Rxh6 58. Rb7 3) 0.0 52... Re1 53. h5 b5 54. h6 a5 55. Rg4+ Kc3 56. Rg5 b4 57. Rxa5 Rh1 58. Ra6 |
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May-03-21 | | gary11201: Some may find that the game is not very interesting, but the account of it in My 60 Memorable Games is fascinating because it includes both Botvinnik and Fischer's annotations. |
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Jan-25-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: fischer was to play botvinnik for wcc in 1960?
since rf didnt beat reshevsky in a match, he would not beat steady botvinik! |
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Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: circa 1960@!@ |
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Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: some site says fischer missed a win? |
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Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: botvinik said karpov has no future! |
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Jan-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: ?botvinik said: karpov has no future in chess and how come spanish lingo has upside down question mark? |
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Feb-17-23 | | Temi: 43. .....a5 is the winning move for Bobby instead of the the text move 43. .....Re7 as per Stockfish evaluation" |
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Mar-06-23 | | Ninas Husband: This was the best Botvinnik-Fischer game EVER! :) |
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Dec-16-23 | | dgontar: According to computer analysis the mistake of Fischer's was 41...Ne4+. This dissipates the advantage in an exchange. Better is to continue the pressure with 41...Rb4 or 41...h5. Another possibility is 41...Rd2. |
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Mar-29-24 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <Joshka: <Justin796> There is a 25 second clip on you tube somewhere...just type in their names and it should pull up.> https://youtu.be/_3TMtIaAlnY?t=1 |
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Jan-28-25 | | Petrosianic: I ran this game through chess.com's Stockfish for a review, and almost spit my soda out when its first words were "A nice even game". You have GOT to be kidding me, Pyle! There's so much talk in this game about whether Black could have won it, that I wanted to see what White's best chances were. Stockfish has the eval as high as +0.9 after 23...b6?! Unfortunately, though Stockfish is great at finding moves, it's horrible at explaining itself. If you go over a game, you'll go nuts hearing it say "Right on target", "Very precise", or similarly useless comments all through the game. If a player rejects a move, the engine almost always claims they overlooked it, rather than try to figure out <why> they rejected it. In this case, of 23...b6?! it claims "This overlooks an opportunity to increase a bishop's scope by moving it to a better square." It suggests Bf6, but does not, of course, explain what it would do when it got there. After the next move, 24. Bf3?, which drops the eval from +0.9 to -0.3, it just says "That's an unfortunate error" (which is again, a useless comment). It suggests Kg2 instead, but of course does not explain the benefits of this move, forcing us to work it out ourselves. After 24. Bf3? Ne6 White loses the advanced QP within a couple of moves, and Black's position is obviously better for the rest of the game. But it's not clear how the suggested move, 24. Kg2 does any better. When you play the recommended move, the eval drops from +0.9 to +0.4, proving that it was never really +0.9 at all. After 24. Kg2 Black plays Ne6, just the same. Same thing if White plays 24. Bh2. But the elimination of the d pawn is what leaves Black clearly better. And that happened because Black was able to play fxe6, and then e5, cutting off White's defense of the pawn. So, what if White avoids exchanging Knights? 24. Bf3 Ne6 25. Bh2 Nd4 is a bit uncomfortable for White. So, what if White hadn't played Bf3? 24. Kg2 Ne6 25. Bh2 Nd4. <Now> White has Ba6, which looks nice. White seems better here, but in that case maybe Black shouldn't have played Nd4. Maybe Nec5, and White only seems a bit better. The QP still looks dangerous but it's not threatening to advance So, let's say that the problem with 24. Bf3? is in losing the possibility of playing Ba6 if the c5 Knight moves. That seems clear now. Kg2 isn't good in itself, it's only good in that it <doesn't> move the B off that diagonal. Likewise, the problem with Fischer's ...b6 was that it gave White the possible threat of Ba6, NOT that it "overlooked an opportunity to increase the Bishop's scope", as Stockfish claimed. But has White actually got anything at Move 24? Despite the +0.9 eval, I don't think Black is in any serious danger of losing yet. The pawn is blocked, with no clear threat of it becoming unblocked. |
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