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Sunil Dhopade Swapnil vs Marc Narciso Dublan
38th Barbera Open (2015), Barbera del Valles ESP, rd 7, Jul-10
Rat Defense: English Rat (A41)  ·  0-1


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Jul-22-16  erdogankilic: Rook " the untouchable "
Jul-22-16  AlicesKnight: Too clever for me - I could see the rook/knight loading but not the way to exploit it.
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  johnlspouge: Thanks for the interesting analysis, <YouRang>.
Jul-22-16  drollere: the R at f8 is out of play, so black is effectively down a R and a piece. for the material he has dominance in space and threats around the white K: a queen fork by Ne2+, and Qg2#.

Ra8 provides a double R exchange at a1 followed by Ne2+, but Qxa1 neutralizes.

white can't capture the B at f3, because Nxe3+ leads to mate.

the N at e3 appears pinned, because the Q at c3 is hanging. however Nd5 solves that problem, and the exchange down black would decline to exchange Q's. however the p's at f2 and h2, and the N at e3, restrict motion of the black Q.

my solution would be: 31. ... Bxe4. then 32. Nxe4 Nf3+ and mate. if 32. Nd5 Qg4+ and mate. if 32. Ra1 Ra8 (not Rxa1 33. Qxa1). or if 32. Ra1, f5 has momentum and threatens to bring in the other black R.

in the game 32. Rb2 is a blunder, as 32. ... Ra1 is decisive. at 34, the only capture is by either the R or N that are already tied to essential defensive roles.

by the way, some folks here seem to count a "puzzle solution" as seeing moves all the way to the end. i score the puzzle as a "guess the move" problem and consider the position one move at a time. so long as i keep choosing the game move or find a better or equivalent move, i'm "winning".

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  Jimfromprovidence: After 30....Bxf4, 31 Qc1 attacks the a3 rook, (in case white plays 31...Bxb1?), but this defense does not work.

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Black has a forced mate here, for those interested in working it out.

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  kevin86: Strange position: white is virtually in zugzwang- with so many pieces immobilized by black's attacking forces. The back row turns into a disaster area.
Jul-22-16  Patriot: The candidates I liked were: Bxf4, Rd8, and f5. I didn't know which was best...
Jul-22-16  Patriot: Umm <YouRang>? :-) Sorry, I use that phrase sometimes on the phone. Good ole Lurch.

That is some nice analysis! 31.Qd3 is a very subtle move but as you calculated, white is in big trouble. Your line is very accurate.

Jul-22-16  Patriot: Above, sorry I meant Bxe4 (not Bxf4), Rd8, and f5.
Jul-22-16  psmith: Like some others my choice was 30...f5.

in the game continuation, 30...Bxe4 31. Rb2 Ne2+! leads to mate. (Stockfish)

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  morfishine: I have been on vacation and lost track of time somehow thinking this was Monday. After a few minutes pondering, I was musing "Wow, this is a really hard Monday problem". Once I gathered myself and realized what day it is, I then re-energized myself for a Friday level problem

I still didn't get it but could care less, I'm sill on vacation

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  AylerKupp: <penguincw> Happy Pi Approximation Day (22/7).>

That reminds me of a story. My 8th grade math teacher indicated that pi = 22/7, without the approximation caveat. Being the skeptic that I am even then, I told him that I didn't think so. Unfortunately for him he was so sure of himself that he went to the chalkboard and wrote 22/7 = 3.14285 ... oops! And he didn't have an answer as to why 22/7 was not = pi.

I felt sorry for him since he was one of my all time favorite teachers. So, Mr. Triplett, if you're still around, I'm sorry for challenging you.

But that's a good story to remember in the USA's presidential race. Challenge everything that both main candidates say.

Jul-22-16  posoo: WAT ever hapnuned to DOZOKIEL???
Jul-22-16  Patriot: <morf> LOL! Yeah it's definitely not a Monday problem.

<AylerKupp> Oooh I would feel bad about that also. Sometimes being right isn't the only thing important--it's a question of what it's worth.

<posoo> I neva saw anyone by dat name.

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Jul-22-16  greenfield67: 31...Ne2+ is such a lost opportunity. After 32.Rxe2 Ra1+, White can interpose with any of his six pieces, and on any of the five intervening squares, but cannot escape mate.
Jul-22-16  Virgil A: That Rook reminds me of that Super Mario game. Just gobbling up anything on the way. That may be a good pun.

Super Mario

Jul-22-16  Virgil A: Super Marc
Jul-23-16  nalinw: Yes 31. .... ? would also be a great puzzle - perhaps for a Tuesday?
Jul-23-16  Moszkowski012273: Well played!
Jul-23-16  Dirkster: Hey, <Patriot> - years before Lurch there was Maynard G. Krebs (played by Bob Denver) on "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis". He was the first TV character to use the phrase "You rang?" (Who knew Lurch was a Dobie Gillis fan?!?) Anyway, this is an awesome game - ya gotta love that Rat!
Jul-24-16  posoo: PUTROOT, yes u HAVE. There was a man named DOZOKIEL who wod always com on da puzzul of da day.

He wod lay out da problem and then TYPE IT IN to da kibbitzing and be very thoroo. I suspected dat he wod actually cheat somtimes becus he was usually RIGHT.

His AVATAR was a picture of him looking VERY INTENSE at a pon.

Jul-25-16  Patriot: <Dirkster> I didn't know that! I used to watch the Addams Family but never watched Dobie Gillis.

<posoo> There was a <dzechiel> by your description, but I don't think he ever cheated. He was thorough and I always enjoyed the way he analyzed. He would pull up Word or Notepad and type everything he wanted to say and without changing anything, he would copy and paste it into a post on the game puzzle--very honest.

Jul-26-16  posoo: yes DATS da man. OK maybe he WS NOT cheating but WHERE DID HE GO

i liked him.

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