| Apr-15-17 | | Sokrates: 35.e6! was a ram opening the black squares and black's back ranks. Erudite play by Kramnik. |
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| Apr-15-17 | | Gollum: Why is this counted as a classical game here? It is faster time control affecting rapid ratings, not classical. There is no classical component in this entire event. |
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Apr-15-17
 | | tamar: "New Classical" time control 45 minutes with 30spm increment makes it somewhere in between Classical and Rapid. |
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| Apr-23-21 | | Russianborn: Yes,this is counted as a classical win for kramnik as 45+30 is considered as a classical time control,not rapid. So their score is still 11 vs 11 |
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| Apr-23-21 | | fabelhaft: <Yes,this is counted as a classical win for kramnik as 45+30 is considered as a classical time control> No, it was neither counted as classical nor rated as classical, some more discussion on that topic here: Korchnoi Zurich Chess Challenge (2017) |
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| Apr-23-21 | | Russianborn: Yeah on the fide website it didnt change the ratings in the month of april 2017 in classical chess nor did it change on the rapid. So dont know what it really is according to fide. Dont know,cause on the front page of the description of the event its listed a the 'new classical',so as it is on chess24,chess.com and the official zurich chess challenge website when i go the result and standings it is termed a classical event,even on wiki and chessgames.com it is counted as a classical win for kramnik. Plus i would guess its no luck everyone talks about the 2 having an equal score together including anand himself for example when asked about it in tata steel 2019 round 7 in his interview on youtube |
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Apr-23-21
 | | MissScarlett: This was originally categorised here as rapid but I changed it: Anand vs Kramnik, 2018 (kibitz #19) |
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| Apr-23-21 | | fabelhaft: And <New classical time control (45 mins + 30 sec per move) definitely qualifies as classical under FIDE's regulations> was as wrong then as it is now :-) |
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| Apr-23-21 | | fabelhaft: <The 2016 edition was the first to abandon classical time controls completely> <"We're not asking to change the classical time control," Skvortsov said. He said he had chatted with FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov about adding the ability for one hour games to be rated in classical (this year's Zurich event will not be rated; it is too long for rapid and too short for classical)> https://www.chess.com/news/view/zur... |
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| Apr-23-21 | | Russianborn: As for the time control,its again neither really fully classical nor fully rapid. But this specific one was still at the end of the day termed as the 'new classical' at the time,on their own site of the tournament page,not as rapid. And since it HAS to be considered as a win for kramnik as he won the game,it cant be counted as a blitz or a blindfold win:) or a rapid win as it was considered as the 'new classical' according to the tournament even though its too short to be 'rated' as a classical win but still is longer than rapid. Also for every win/loss all the 8 players (not only kramniks)head to head score in classical chess got affected. And again it was acknowledged by both kramnik and anand that they had an equal score in the past. So i think acknowledging this as a classical win for kramnik was no fluke if both the top players mention it. |
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Apr-23-21
| | MissScarlett: New classical is not too short to be rated; the Zurich organisers declined to enter the tournament to be rated. |
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| Apr-24-21 | | fabelhaft: <this specific one was still at the end of the day termed as the 'new classical' at the time,on their own site of the tournament page,not as rapid. And since it HAS to be considered as a win for kramnik as he won the game,it cant be counted as a blitz or a blindfold win:) or a rapid win as it was considered as the 'new classical' according to the tournament> The organiser called the 10+5 games ”blitz”, not even ”new blitz”, but they were still rapid. Skvortsov made up the time control and called it new classical, which doesn’t in itself make it classical :-) <for every win/loss all the 8 players (not only kramniks)head to head score in classical chess got affected> If one counts these games as classical, yes.
Barden wrote about Zurich 2016:
<What triggered a storm was the sponsor Oleg Skvortsov’s assertion that his new time control, effectively a souped-up version of one-hour rapid games, should be a “new classical” format and thus eligible for the world ranking list. Critics rubbished the idea> Skvortsov made it clear that it was too short for classical as of the day also in 2017, but that he hoped it one day would become accepted. I have not seen any other site than chessgames referring to the games as classical though. |
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| Apr-24-21 | | fabelhaft: 2017 was to be the last of Skvortsov’s Zurich tournaments, so I guess he gave up on his new classical concept. |
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| Apr-25-21 | | Russianborn: Yeah again the thing was that it was neither fully classical nor rapid so maybe 45+30 is somewhere in the middle. But at the end of the day the game has to go somewhere into the database,dosent it. Because since this an official tournament it must be taken into the databse and therefore should be counted as a win somewhere. So therefore ill need atleast something to chew on to decide. So the reason i considered it as a classical win was because the Official Zurich Chess tournament site + other sites following it,mentioned it as the 'new classical' on that occasion including the tournament director. Yeah so the so called blitz was clearly a rapid one under the regulations of fide and wasnt unclear at all. So i can definitely agree on that one. The rated/unrated part dosent make a difference in terms of PERSONAL SCORE for example the kramnik kasparov match in 2000 under braingames,the games didnt affect their rating change as it was not under fide but it still was counted as a head to head victory for kramnik not because it was rated or unrated but because it was at the end of the day a victory for kramnik,it just didnt affect the ratings. Also again if these big guys plus other sources agree that they themselves are on an equal score then im pretty sure it cant be a fake on such a big and high level. Just my take on it. Lol also i love how we are debating on 1 game when these legends have played like 100 in classical chess🤣 |
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