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Ding Liren vs Veselin Topalov
Gashimov Memorial (2018), Shamkir AZE, rd 3, Apr-21
Semi-Slav Defense: Normal Variation (D45)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Apr-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: <Mateo: < Stonehenge: 42...Ng4 43. f3 Qb8> Nice. 43...Qb8!! wins. Topalov thought for a long time but he 'underestimated' 42...Ng4, as they use to say.>

Yes, but ...Qb8 is still a big threat. White should probably play 44.Ke2 now, and accept ...Nxg3. Because he will lose the g3-pawn anyway after ...Qb8 followed by ...Qxg3.

Apr-21-18
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  thegoodanarchist: < offramp: WIll this be a huge triumph for the two knights against the two bishops?>

It seems not!

Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Nxg3+ Ke2 Nxf1 Kxf1 and now the big question is whether b3+ or Qb1 directly
Apr-21-18
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  chessdgc2: 44. Ke2? Ke2? Looks like White's got a brave K....wonder if he's wearing something bulletproof?
Apr-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: Now white cannot play 46.Kd1 to protect the bishop, because then 46...Nf2+ is a death blow. He has to give up the c1-bishop.
Apr-21-18
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  Marmot PFL: 10 years ago Topalov would have won this but time marches on inexorably
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Judging by the icon, the King has macro cojones and a micro wong. Does that answer your question?
Apr-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: Okay, this should be a draw. White can probably afford to keep the queen at a3 protecting the bishop. So he doesn't have to lose it. And then I do not see a path for black to queen his c-pawn. I predict a draw.
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: White's practically in zugzwang but he can keep playing Qa3-a1 and black doesn't have a clear attack, either
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Unless the black king can reach g4
Apr-21-18
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  chessdgc2: Black can either draw or lose.....
Apr-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: White should draw this by simply moving his king back and forth between e1 and f1.
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Kg6, gopher it Topalov!
Apr-21-18
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  Count Wedgemore: Black can of course give a check on d1 and afterwards get his pawn to c2. But to get it to c1 is another matter entirely.
Apr-21-18
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  truepacifism: 56% chance that it is a draw and a snoozefest.
I prefer that someone win, however.
Apr-21-18
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  truepacifism: More like 100% at this point.
Apr-21-18
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  chessdgc2: will move 55 be bad luck for one of these guys?
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: You guys are crazy Topple-off is bringing the king in and he means business. White put his king on the right square because otherwise Kf5 Qf8+ Kg4 Qxg7+ Kh3 and white is lost
Apr-21-18
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  OhioChessFan: If Black plays c2, then White has Qa2/xe6+ for a perpetual in almost all lines. I don't see how Black can gain ground any other way. Kf5/g4 will likewise lead to Qxe6+ and a perp.
Apr-21-18
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  OhioChessFan: And, that's it. 15 straight draws.
Apr-21-18
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  OhioChessFan: Thanks for the games CG.C
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: Dangnation, I thought Vaseline Top of Love had him there. Anyway it's a higher form of chess to sacrifice material for an idea, namely producing a quasi-zugzwang situation, but he was just one tempo behind.
Apr-21-18
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  chessdgc2: Is chess better today than it was 50 years ago? Hard to say, but defense certainly is and opening theory is also better. As far as calculating, creativity and risk-taking, I like the older games better :). Chessgames.com: Thanks for the cast!
Apr-21-18
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  ChessHigherCat: chessdgc2: Is chess better today than it was 50 years ago? Hard to say, but defense certainly is and opening theory is also better. As far as calculating, creativity and risk-taking, I like the older games better> I don't think you have to go back 50 years. This game is from only 22 years ago and they don't get much better than this:

Topalov vs Kasparov, 1996

Topalov just has to get his mojo back, like Austin Powers. Yeah, baby, yeah!

Apr-21-18
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  chessdgc2: ChessHigherCat: Yes, you’re correct, we don’t have to go back so far to find immortal games. Some people think chess was so much better before players started using teams, psychologists and computers...many of the “old-time” players were on their own and this is why I chose “50” years :) Chess is changing, though.
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