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Norway 2017 Moves Prediction Contest

<Main Focus>: Predicting how many moves in a game for each pairing. tournament page:
Gashimov Memorial (2017)

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[player]-[player] [result] [# of MOVES]

==4 Different Scoring Methods==

Standard Moves Ranker (1st place-Over[3pts], 1st place-Under [7pts], Exact [10pts])

Bonus Ranker (3rd place-Over[1pts],2nd place-Over[2pts],3rd place-Under [5pts], 2nd place-Under [6pts]

Standard Moves/Bonus Ranker [Add all to together]

1st place Ranker [how many 1st place you have in Standard Moves Ranker]

For example:

<Note: Participants 3, 4, and 5 are predicated on nobody scoring an exact as Participant 2 did. If someone hits an exact, the closest score under and over will score the points for second place.>

Actual Game: [player]-[player] 0-1 45

Participant 1: [player]-[player] 1/2 45
Participant 2: [player]-[player] 0-1 45
Participant 3: [player]-[player] 0-1 44
Participant 4: [player]-[player] 0-1 43
Participant 5: [player]-[player] 0-1 46

Participant 1: No points even though 45 is correct. Results must be correct. If Result is wrong and moves # is get no points whatsoever

Participant 2: 10 pts rewarded for correct Result/moves #

Participant 3: 7 pts rewarded for closest under (1st-Under) to 45 moves

Participant 4: 6 pts rewarded for the 2nd closest under (2nd-Under) to 45 moves.

Participant 5: 3 pts rewarded closest OVER(1st-OVER) to 45 moves.

Again, the description of Participant 3, 4, and 5 are based on there being no exact prediction as made by Participant 2.

<IF> there is an exact or an under closest, the highest scoring over participant will be 2nd over. The second closest over will be 3rd over. The <ONLY> time there will be a first over is if there is no exact or under winner. Bold strategy

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Moves Prediction Contest

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  Golden Executive: Round 9:

Kramnik - Giri 1/2 40
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 40
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 40
So - Aronian 1/2 40
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 40

Jun-16-17  sea otter: Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 105
Caruana - Nakamura 0-1 56
So - Aronian 0-1 51
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 84
Kramnik - Giri 1-0 37
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  alfamikewhiskey: Round 9:

Kramnik - Giri 1/2 34
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 34
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 36
So - Aronian 1/2 34
Anand - Carlsen 0-1 38

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Round 9:
Kramnik - Giri 1/2 33
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 38
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 35
So - Aronian 1/2 36
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 40
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  OhioChessFan: ** Round 8 Recap **

The Chess World is watching closely, as <WinKing> continues his run for a Quadruple Crown. He leads 3 Rankers and is second in the other. <Switch> leads that Ranker, and is also within shouting distance of a Quadruple Crown. <chessmoron> and <GE> still haven't hit a #1 and continue to ugly up our scoreboard with the associated 0's.

Can <WinKing> hit for the cycle? Will <Switch> hang on to the lead in Bonus Ranker? Can <Switch> have a big round to hit his own 4 banger? Can someone <please> help <chessmoron> and <GE> hit a #1? Stay tuned for the answers to these and many other exciting questions. Last round, for all the marbles, and the crowd rises....

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  OhioChessFan: Kramnik - Giri 1-0 30
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 42
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 42
So - Aronian 1/2 42
Anand - Carlsen 0-1 36
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  lostemperor: Round 9:
Kramnik - Giri 1/2 40
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1-0 45
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 50
So - Aronian 1/2 40
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 40
Jun-16-17  chessmoron: Kramnik - Giri 1-0 45
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 43
Caruana - Nakamura 1-0 44
So - Aronian 1/2 42
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 45
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  WinKing: Round 9

Kramnik - Giri 1/2 40
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 43
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 42
So - Aronian 1/2 42
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 40

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: Round 9:

Kramnik - Giri 1/2 42
Karjakin - Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 43
Caruana - Nakamura 1/2 42
So - Aronian 1/2 42
Anand - Carlsen 1/2 40

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: Round 9 games have started.
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  Golden Executive: ♔ Norway 2017: <FINAL Round> Result ♔

<Kramnik-Giri 1-0 in 20 moves>

Score, User ID, Exact, Moves Under, Moves Over

3, OhioChessFan, -, -, 10
2, juan31, -, -, 19
1, chessmoron, -, -, 25


<Karjakin-Vachier-Lagrave 1/2 in 30 moves>

Score, User ID, Exact, Moves Under, Moves Over

3, alfamikewhiskey, -, -, 4
2, Penguincw, -, -, 6
1, Robin01, -, -, 7


<Caruana-Nakamura 1-0 in 59 moves>

Score, User ID, Exact, Moves Under, Moves Over

7, chessmoron, -, 15, -


<So-Aronian 1/2 in 59 moves>

Score, User ID, Exact, Moves Under, Moves Over

7, wordfunph, -, 9, -
6, chessmoron, -, 17, -
6, OhioChessFan, -, 17, -
6, SwitchingQuylthulg, -, 17, -
6, WinKing, -, 17, -
5, Golden Executive, -, 19, -
5, lostemperor, -, 19, -
2, sea otter, -, -, 25


<Anand-Carlsen 1/2 in 34 moves>

Score, User ID, Exact, Moves Under, Moves Over

3, Golden Executive, -, -, 6
3, juan31, -, -, 6
3, lostemperor, -, -, 6
3, offramp, -, -, 6
3, SwitchingQuylthulg, -, -, 6
3, WinKing, -, -, 6
2, chessmoron, -, -, 11
1, wordfunph, -, -, 16


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  Golden Executive: ♔ Norway 2017: <FINAL Round> Summary ♔

Perfect # moves predictions for this round goes to:


Moves Ranker - Through <FINAL Round>

Highest score: 7 points: <chessmoron>, <wordfunph>

Score, User ID, Over, Under, Exact

♔ 48, WinKing, 1, 5, 1
♘ 38, offramp, 1, 5, 0
♗ 34, Penguincw, 1, 3, 1
♗ 34, SwitchingQuylthulg, 2, 4, 0
30, wordfunph, 2, 2, 1
27, sea otter, 2, 3, 0
24, Robin01, 1, 3, 0
23, juan31, 2, 1, 1
17, lostemperor, 1, 2, 0
17, OhioChessFan, 1, 2, 0
7, chessmoron, 0, 1, 0
6, alfamikewhiskey, 2, 0, 0
3, Golden Executive, 1, 0, 0


Bonus Ranker - Through <FINAL Round>

Highest score: 9 points: <chessmoron>

Score, UserID, 3-Over, 2-Over, 3-Under, 2-Under

♔ 79, SwitchingQuylthulg, 0, 1, 7, 7
♘ 73, WinKing, 1, 2, 4, 8
♗ 43, sea otter, 1, 4, 2, 4
38, lostemperor, 1, 2, 3, 3
33, chessmoron, 2, 1, 1, 4
27, Golden Executive, 0, 0, 3, 2
26, juan31, 1, 2, 3, 1
24, OhioChessFan, 4, 2, 2, 1
24, Robin01, 2, 3, 2, 1
23, wordfunph, 3, 2, 2, 1
16, Penguincw, 1, 2, 1, 1
9, alfamikewhiskey, 1, 4, 0, 0
4, offramp, 4, 0, 0, 0


Moves+Bonus Ranker - Through <FINAL Round>

Highest score: 16 points: <chessmoron>

Score, UserID

♔ 121, WinKing
♘ 113, SwitchingQuylthulg
♗ 70, sea otter
55, lostemperor
53, wordfunph
50, Penguincw
49, juan31
48, Robin01
42, offramp
41, OhioChessFan
40, chessmoron
30, Golden Executive
15, alfamikewhiskey


Moves Ranker (# of 1st place Under/Over) - Through <FINAL Round>

Highest score: 1 points: <alfamikewhiskey>, <chessmoron>, <Golden Executive>, <juan31>, <lostemperor>, <offramp>, <OhioChessFan>, <SwitchingQuylthulg>, <WinKing>, <wordfunph>

Score, UserID

♔ 7, WinKing
♘ 6, offramp
♘ 6, SwitchingQuylthulg
♗ 5, Penguincw
♗ 5, sea otter
♗ 5, wordfunph
4, juan31
4, Robin01
3, lostemperor
3, OhioChessFan
2, alfamikewhiskey
1, chessmoron
1, Golden Executive


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  Golden Executive: <OCF> Please delete my post with the wrong format. Thanks
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  juan31: Thanks < OhioChessFan and GE> for the contest, congratulations for the medalist.
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  wordfunph: <OCF> and <GE> thanks thanks!

congratulations to all winners!

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  wordfunph: triple King for <WinKing>, gratz bro!
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  OhioChessFan: ** Final Update **

<OhioChessFan> managed to escape the evil clutches of his employer at 4AM and discover that <WinKing> has won a Triple Crown. He took a silver in the other ranker, won by <Switch>, who added 2 silvers and a bronze. <offramp> had 2 silvers, <Penguincw> had a silver and a bronze, <sea otter> had 3 bronze, and <wordfunph> had a bronze.

<chessmoron> and <GE> waited until the last round to hit a #1, so they got rid of the remaining 0's on our scoreboard, which had become a bit of an embarrassment.

Thanks to <GE> for scoring and all the contestants for participating.

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: Thanks to <OhioChessFan> and <Golden Executive>, and congratulations to <WinKing> and the other medalists!
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  Penguincw: Woo, I got 2 medals. Anyway, thanks to all for making this contest possible, and hope to see you soon (Dortmund, Biel or Sinquefield I guess).
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  WinKing: Thanks for a well run contest <Golden Executive> & thanks to <OhioChessFan> for hosting this prestigious event.

Congratulations to all of those fortunate enough to win a medal! I had the opportunity, once again, to duel it out with <SwitchingQuylthulg> one of the best players in this 'moves prediction' contest. This time I was the one lucky enough to get the better of it. Next time, if there is one, it may have a different ending. I salute you <Switch> on a great contest!

Look forward to seeing you all at the next event!

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  WinKing: <chessmoron> if you can find the time it would be great if you could update the Hall of Fame stats. I'm trying to keep up with everything in my forum but the stats I have are pretty outdated - thanks.
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  lostemperor: Thanks <chessmoron> and <OhioChessFan>
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  WannaBe: <OCF> You may enjoy this article:

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  Fusilli: Another useful endgame concept, which shows up in actual play more than most people think, is that you can't win with king, a bishop and rook pawn versus king if the bishop does not run on squares of the same color as the pawn's promotion square and the defending king manages to reach the promotion square.

I benefited from that fact in this game (not in this database):

Benedict Smail v Mariano Sana, US Open 2009

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White has winning chances with 52.Bd8 or even something like 52.Bb1 or 52.Bc2, but exchanging bishops was too tempting and he played 52.Bd3:

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Black has no choice but trading, which fortunately suffices to draw:

52...Bxd3 53. Kxd3 Kxf5 54. Kc4 Ke6 55. Kb5 Nb8 56. Bc7

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56... Kd7, just in time! 57. Bxb8 Kc8 58. Bf4 Kb7

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