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M61MG Wrestler
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   M61MG Wrestler has kibitzed 26 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Nov-05-14 M61MG Wrestler chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ==== <James Demery> The link has been updated to this one: Robert James Fischer As the owners of this website clean up the old trash, the links above get broken. You called on an investigation of the M61MG book's legitmacy, and Trice's puppet <hackmate> made up a
 
   Jun-16-14 Viktor Korchnoi (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: <petrosianic: a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax"). > http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... .
 
   Sep-27-12 Adams vs Gelfand, 2012 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: Whereas Adams is seventh place....he needs to try harder. :)
 
   Feb-15-12 Bobby Fischer (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: <♗=== UGH ===♗> <Joshka: <rannewman> Those notes were collected and written over decades, and according to reports I've read, they measure some 22 inches high stacked on top of one another! The bootlegged book was printed in Iceland 2007. IM Larry ...
 
   Jun-23-11 jessicafischerqueen chessforum (replies)
 
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   Aug-12-09 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: In my profile I am having difficulty getting certain lines to separate, without adding a blank line in between. How can I ensure that a line of text starts on a new line? Here is an example that DOES NOT SEPARATE with a carriage return: Evans 1st M61MG Article ...
 
   Jul-25-09 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗/////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ ♗ Reminder to all: If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite you to visit my chessforum. Other sites on the internet may not allow the discussion from all users that takes place on my forum.
 
   Jul-25-09 Shirov vs R Panjwani, 2009 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗/////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ ♗ If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite your to visit my chessforum, on which no CG.COM user is banned from participating. Other sites on the internet may not allow the discussion that takes ...
 
   Jul-03-09 H Olafsson vs P Smirnov, 2008 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗////LINKS NEEDED\\\\♗ I'm looking for good links to headline the "Uncovering the Truth" page. See the short kibitz history on my forum. Improvements solicited, and most welcome.
 
   Jun-29-09 chancho chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: New location for discussing "My 61 Mem Games", including all* previous posts on that topic from Mrs. Alekhine's forum. Click my Avatar to join in. Anyone is welcome. *some pruning has occurred on irrelevant posts.
 
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Uncovering the Truth About M61MG

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Jun-16-09
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  IMlday: "This has got to make IMlday think twice about your [MrM] point of view, any why you get so disturbed by his posts."

I know why he finds it so disturbing. It's related to the torture episode in Pasadena. Paul Hoffman is also keen to bury that turning point in Fischer's life. He wrote: "...a candycane-colored booklet called I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse, an incoherent diatribe about his brief incarceration after being mistakenly arrested for a bank robber."

No honest historian who has read IWTIAPJ would describe it as either incoherent or a diatribe. It is an affadavit. It is all true, but that simple fact is scary for some people to admit. Why? Because the great Republic's descent into a torture-loving police-state Empire is not a reassuring process at all. What MrM is practicing is called avoidance.

MrMelad: <PinnedPiece: Why so abusive?> I'm being honest. Sometimes the truth is hard to speak and even harder to hear.

[I'm cool with truth.]

It is a fact that IM L.Day is quoting endlessly from his exclusive copy of M61MG

[I am? cite plz:]

in an effort to get people to buy the book.

[Nobody can buy the book. Zombies have scared off distributors.]

When you engage in a public discussion which purpose is to determine the truth, you act as a lawyer presenting his case to the court.

[I don't. I have nothing to prove. Besides, how do I know you are receptive to truth? My opinion is just my opinion. You disagree but have no case, so what, make your own opinion.]

Your evidence must be credible, your sources must be documented, your data should be presented in its completeness to the other side.

[You go first. I might entertain your arguments if they are amusing, but please: no more boring Trice stories. I never met this guy. Why am I supposed to care who swindled who years ago? I can talk truth about the BOOK only. The rest is boring and socks don't fool many in modern times.]

One can't use his reputation to determine in cases outside of his professional jurisdiction.

[If you say so.]

Many people see all this as common sense and furthermore it is obvious that Mr. L. Day concisely avoid addressing those issues because several people have pointed out that he is defying those principles without his response.

[Silence. Maybe I don't want to embarass you with your stupidity? ]

It is easy to pretend to be stupid and to pretend not to understand such simple rules of public discussion, and I wouldn't mind it so much, unless Mr. L. Day used his reputation as an international master of chess to add to his Demagogy argument which might actually cause people to buy the book, and hence it is potentially criminal and also pathetically reflects on Mr. L. Day.

[What a fancy 69-word sentence. Imposing is it?]

Of course, if I was seriously interested in L. Day's opinion I wouldn't have addressed him with such assertive tone, but the only reasonable thing I want from Mr. L. Day is for him to scan the book, which is not copyrighted, in order to allow the authorities to determine for real who is behind the scam.

[So you don't care about royalties for the estate? If this Trice guy ripped off Bobby's copyright that makes it OK to violate Bobby's wishes?]

It is evidence for what many people

[are they really people Ed?]

believe to be a serious crime

[against Miyoko?]

and so L. Day refusal to provide it

[to Miyoko?]

and his constant referring to it as if it was real

[It's real Ed. Claiming it wasn't real was last year's line.]

(by addressing directly to passages in the book available only to him)

[which you'd rather no one read.]

is what the Jewish call Huzpa.

[You, masquerading as a prosecutor is chutzpah, but professional 'nuisance suits' I'd believe.]

Jun-16-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  IMlday: <chancho> Evans 180 degree reversal from ~Fischer was into it up to his ears~ to ~Fischer had nothing to do with it~ wasn't based on actually reading it, but suspicious behaviour by the sellers.

Did you try writing three or four pseudo-Fischer sentences about the donkey? How long did it take?

Jun-16-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  IMlday: Riverbeast: <In my opinion the forgery theory is farfetched and unlikely.>

"Just one question, <IMlday>

How much did they pay you?"

Ha Ha. They charged me $200.

To forge this would have been a gargantuan task for a forger. I simply find it too hard to believe.

Jun-16-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <Evans 180 degree reversal from ~Fischer was into it up to his ears~ to ~Fischer had nothing to do with it~ wasn't based on actually reading it, but suspicious behaviour by the sellers.>

But Mr Day, your initial belief that the book was written by Fischer was not based on your reading the book.

Jun-17-09  PinnedPiece: <IMlday> Well, I hope <MrMelad>, or Ed as you refer to him, appreciates your lengthy response. I never get anything like this.

I'm jealous.

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Jun-17-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  IMlday: That was my initial guess based on the chesstalk thread. I was confident enough to send the money, yes. Everything Fischer ever did was full of mystery and unpredictability so that part didn't bother me. But I still harboured some doubts until I'd actually read it. I did try to imagine a forger but there were way too many improbables.
Jun-17-09  sharro: A known scammer shows up with a 61MG shirt on, while a well established and reputable bookseller has emails from the scammer showing he was involved and you say its "improbable" that he forged it? Come on!
Jun-17-09  Ziggurat: <IMlday>

<Nobody can buy the book. Zombies have scared off distributors.>

Yes, it's obviously chessgames.com kibitzers' fault that the book is unavailable.

I mean, really ...

Jun-17-09
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  chancho: <IMlday: That was my initial guess based on the chesstalk thread.>

Yes, I see. This is the Chesstalk thread that you are talking about:

<Lawrence Day: Jan-17-09

In my opinion the book exists, is written by Fischer and is weirdly distributed because of copyright and other legal issues.>

But on the very same day, you posted two posts at chessgames.com:

<Jan-17-09>
<Robert James Fischer>

<IMlday: I won't be surprised if Jinky has a box of numbered signed copies to pay for her tuition someday.>

<Joshka>: <IMlday> <Master Day! Thanks for joining in!....yes I'm sure Jinky must have been taken care of in the final settlement, from Myoko. Besides GM Evans, I have not heard from any of the top players like yourself, or GM Keene on their assessments? As a Canadian, are <<<you interested in viewing the book>>> to make your own judgements?>

<IMlday:> <Joshka> <I would be delighted with an opportunity to review it. At minimum that would end the obdurate skepticism regarding its existence.>

I don't see those "doubts" that you were referring to in the above posts, but never mind.

Jun-17-09  JonDSouzaEva: <IMlday: It is a fact that IM L.Day is quoting endlessly from his exclusive copy of M61MG [I am? cite plz:]>

From Fischer vs Robatsch, 1962 <In his 2007 notes Fischer is less critical of the variation giving 4..g6!? and blaming the disaster on 8..0-0? instead of 8..Bxh6 9.Qxh6 Be6 aiming to castle long.>

From Fischer vs Shocron, 1959 <In Fischer's 2007 notes the "!" for 20.g5 has been replaced with "!?"...>

Jun-17-09  robmtchl: I know that Fischer had nothing to do with the book.

http://www.spellchecker.net/spellch...

Cut and paste into the spell/grammar checker.... modify by adding big words and adjectives and using a chess engine to verify new lines and often discussed options over the last 40 years and you have the making of the way it is done.

Just because you believe it can't be done doe not mean it can't or in this case wasn't. Highly skilled scientists didn't think we could go to the moon, split an atom, live under the oceans or in space.... but mankind has done all of those.

No publisher will publish the book because they know it isn't what it claims to be and they do not want to be held legally responsible. Publishers do have something to lose.

I am glad you found the book entertaining. Many folks also found the book by Clifford Irving on Howard Hughs to be entertaining as well. Neither book though were what they purported to be.

Jun-17-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: That is some great timing on the Jan 17, 2009 posts on Chesstalk, and Chesgames.com. The next moment <Joshka> appears like an Angel to offer De book! De book!
Jun-17-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <JonD> You forgot: Keres vs Fischer, 1962
Jun-17-09  JonDSouzaEva: <chancho> Thanks. It's hard to keep track of all the places where that nincompoop Day makes comments which may fool the unwary into assuming that "My 61 Memorable Games" was the work of Fischer.
Jun-17-09
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  chancho: <JonD> Well, you added the very same game I did on page 14 of this forum. ;)
Jun-17-09  Ed Trice: I'd like to take this opportunity to showcase the lies of Rob Mitchell.

First, examine this link

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KQ8DMAfZC...

This above was the second page of a 2-page article that came out in Philadelphia on Saturday, January 19, 2008, shortly after Fischer died. At the very bottom of the first column, you can read the words of Grandmaster Susan Polgar

"Both Karpov and I signed the contract, and Bobby was seriously contemplating. The money was there," she said.

All of the documentation was in place, and shown to those who would participate. I took it with me to Iceland. It was sent to Karpov. Karpov signed the preliminary contract. Susan Polgar signed to be Bobby's replacement in the event the match started and then he walked out.

This was also shown to the reporter covering the story.

So, all of the lies Rob Mitchell, and others, were refuted. The match was real. I raised the money.

Second, ask Rob Mitchell who backed out of the meeting I set up with Trump. It was he and his buddy, Mike Cowger. Not only did Mitchell and Cowger NOT CREATE THE VIDEO PRODUCTION PLAN, as he was supposed to do, they called Titus Keingham, and asked him to furnish the numbers!

If anyone wants to call Titus Keingham and ask him, feel free to ask me for his contact information. Titus came with me to Iceland, with Alexis and Frank Camaratta, owner of the House of Staunton, who was slated to design the new Gothic Chess pieces that Fischer requested creative control over.

And, despite Rob Mitchell's statements to the contrary, the trips to Iceland were paid for by the financial backers, not the programming resource we brought on board to complete the live Gothic Chess playing site. He is running his own far-flung enterprises today, trying to sell guitar lessons over the internet, and he was selling illegal anti-depression drugs he got from somewhere on the site which is now only available through the web archiver at

http://web.archive.org/web/20050129...

So, Robby, can you explain why YOU cancelled on attending the meeting with Trump 2 times?? I loved the last excuse you gave. "Mike Cowger has to give a deposition."

Ha! As if you forgot about that when we set up the original meeting, and only recalled it the day before we had to leave for New York!

Robby, with his failed "Street Chess" project, and failed chess project with the USSR, whatever that one was, ended up owing Titus Keiningham $50,000 for services rendered. Then Robby played the "It's not me, that was Chess Masterminds", the very organization Robby founded.

And here is his "Deal Memo" where he asked me for the $35,000 which he was going to use to pay off some of the money he owed Titus.

http://www.gothicchess.com/images/b...

Jun-17-09  Ed Trice: And anyone who thinks I wrote a 700 page book on chess IS AN IDIOT.
Jun-17-09  MrMelad: <IMlday: No honest historian who has read IWTIAPJ ... What MrM is practicing is called avoidance.> I fail to see the connection, I spoke about a book called M61MG and not IWTIAPJ.

<I'm cool with truth.> Then do you accept the true situation that a consensus has been reached about the authenticity of M61MG? You don't have to accept the conclusion, only to admit to the consensus.

<I am? cite plz:> I am not about to repeat what I perceive as lies here, Jon did some linking, I would suggest the reader to read some of your posts from the past months, even in the last page of this forum there are examples.

<Nobody can buy the book. Zombies have scared off distributors.> Is that suppose to be funny? The book has been discredited, and not by zombies but by the public internet community. I am upset by the fact that I have to explain this to you.

<<MrM: When you engage in a public discussion ... you act as a lawyer presenting his case> IMlday: I don't.> Then you have nothing to contribute, nothing of what you say can be used as evidence! Any quote of yours that contains details about what is written in the book should be simply ignored. Unless you scan the book of course.

<Besides, how do I know you are receptive to truth? My opinion is just my opinion. You disagree but have no case, so what, make your own opinion.> I did, my opinion is that you are pathetic.

<<MrM:Your evidence must be credible, your sources must be documented, your data should be presented in its completeness to the other side.> IMlday: You go first.> Please refer to every single post of user <chancho> from the past year and a half on this subject. After that please refer to Ed Lebate site to read further.

< ... I can talk truth about the BOOK only. > No you can't Mr. Day, you have to present the book first, otherwise this is hearsay.

<Silence. Maybe I don't want to embarrass you with your stupidity?> How thoughtful of you, and I was thinking you are ignoring me. For future reference, I am forever pleased with discovering my own stupidity, I learn best by my mistakes, I recommend the same, even if you think you are a celebrity.

<<MrM: Mr. L. Day used his reputation as an international master of chess to add to his Demagogy argument which might actually cause people to buy the book> IMlday: Imposing is it?> Would you admit that your intentions in referring to the book was that more people would buy it (maybe not because you earn money of it but because you want to engage in a conversation)? Naively or not, you have been promoting a book that many people believe to be criminal. Was that not said clearly enough?

<So you don't care about royalties for the estate? If this Trice guy ripped off Bobby's copyright that makes it OK to violate Bobby's wishes?> If the book was copyrighted to someone, then you would have been correct but the book is not copyrighted, Fischer will not make a dime of it, who ever is making the profit is called a "Death eater", and the only one violating Bobby's respect are you and your M61MG friends.

<are they really people Ed?> I am not Ed Lebate, my name is Ofer Barasofsky, I live in Israel, I am a member here for some time and I am sure people can agree I am authentic :), I have a website, you can visit my profile and my site if you want to learn more about me.

<<MrM: believe to be a serious crime> IMlday: against Miyoko?> For start, if you bought the book then against yourself. Afterwards, against Fischer, Ed Lebate, EBay, EBay customers, the chess community, and of course, Miyoko, for holding (?) the real rights to any book associated with Fischer. Of course, any one offended by the crime, just like any other crime, is a victim.

I stopped referring to your quotes as they became embarrassing.

Mr. Day, do you have anything real to contribute? For instance, you don't have to scan the whole book, you can scan just your citations. It still won't be evidence, but will at least be serious and will serve the intentions of this forum, which is not to promote the book if you hadn't noticed.

Jun-17-09  robmtchl: St Eat has just written a 700 plus word essay of complete lies.

1. I never asked Susan about contacting Fischer
2. I owe Titus Nothing
3. I never cancelled anything with Trump, you did.
4. You lost Trumps debit card( which Claude said you lied about and never had) 5. You told me you had a wife and daughter on phone conversation we had. 6. You lied about your funding.
7. You lied about meeting Fischer
8. you claim to have offered to "kick my ass" over the phone... never happened. 9.You broke the non-discolsure agreement.
10.you never bought 50k copies of a book from Fischer.

Game over.. you lose

Jun-17-09  robmtchl: ANyone notice hoe St Eat has been absent until I told how it was done?
Jun-17-09  MageOfMaple: <robmtchl: Game over.. you lose>

Depends what the game is. At this point, I think his game is just to derive satisfaction from pushing our buttons. Shame on anyone who takes that joker seriously. Or his bogus book.

Jun-17-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <And anyone who thinks I wrote a 700 page book on chess IS AN IDIOT.>

There are bigger idiots out there:

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/...

Jun-17-09
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  IMlday: <chancho> That "endless flood" was four annotations total. You're missing one: Fischer vs Keres, 1959
Jun-17-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: <IMDay> You have the power to open those floodgates by scanning the whole book so we can all get wet. How about it? :-)
Jun-17-09  PinnedPiece: <Ed Trice: I'd like to take this opportunity to showcase the lies of Rob Mitchell.>

In no way is <Rob Mitchell> the issue that anyone on this page is concerned with. In fact, what if I grant every point you make? Then what? How have you now justified your involvement or non-involvement in the M61MG adventure?

How have you now justified the book's existence? How does that rectify the various stances you have taken regarding the book's genesis?

Well, the answer to all the questions is, scoring against Rob Mitchell does none of the above. The only person, <Ed Trice> who gives a flying function (called with uninstantiated arguments) about this issue, is <Rob Mitchell>. Did he wound you that deeply that this groove is the only one you can replay for us over and over?

We want you to share your dirty little secrets! Short of that, who cares.

(apologies to RM)
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