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YouRang
Member since Feb-23-05
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Love chess.
Wish I were better at it.
USA

About my peculiar moniker, "YouRang":

There used to be a show on American TV called "The Addams Family". One of the characters was a creepy 6'9" zombie-like butler named "Lurch" (pictured in my avatar, with a rare smile). In the show, someone would summon Lurch with the bell-pull (a hangman rope), which would make a loud GONG sound, and Lurch would promptly appear and say (in a deep voice), <"You rang?"> (sample: http://www.addamsfamily.com/addams/...). Kind of a dumb show really, yet it has long had cult-like following. Recently many original episodes became available on DVD (http://www.amazon.com/Addams-Family...).

Anyway, I picked "YouRang" for my user name because I was out of my mind at the time, but I'm better now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glorious accomplishments:

- 2005 Co-winner of <"Best Avatar" Caissar>! (thank you! thank you!)

- 2006 Biel prediction contest (1st place [tie] in final standings prediction)

- 2006 User name "YouRang" named among top 100 TV catch-phrases (http://www.tvland.com/originals/cat...)

- 2007 Defeated GM Arno Nickel (with the help of 2000+ other members & their computers) in the classic: Chessgames Challenge: The World vs A Nickel, 2006

- 2007 Took 1st place (tie) in <lostemperor>'s Final Standing prediction contest for the Linares tournament

- 2008 Defeated GM Gert Jan Timmerman (with the help of 3000+ other members & their computers) in the classic: The World vs G Timmerman, 2007

- 2009 Achieved a draw with the black pieces in my rematch with GM Arno Nickel (with help of 2000+ other members and their computers) in the classic: Chessgames Challenge: A Nickel vs The World, 2008

- 2010 On May 6, User: thegoodanarchist spotted a license plate that said "URANGG", presumably in honor of my moniker.

- 2010 Finished in top 25 with 2,200 chessbucks in Summer leg of chessbookie. (Just 2 bets: predicted Ponomariov was winner of Dortmund, and Caruana as winner of Biel).

- 2010 Won a silver medal in 123 Ranker for the Pearl Spring tournament. (It would have been gold except <Winter> stole it with a fantastic perfect final round. Grrr...)

- 2011 Won gold in <lostemperor>'s Wijk aan Zee 2011 Final Standings prediction contest by finishing in first place for all 3 contests -- absolute ranker, least-squares ranker, and pair betting ranker! Yee-haw!

- 2011 Won silver medal in 123 Ranker for Bilbao tournament.

- 2011 I was honored in a chessvibes.com cartoon: http://www.chessvibes.com/cartoons/...! [Thanks to <Blunderdome> for finding this]

- 2011 Won gold in <lostemperor>'s Tal Memorial 2011 Final Standings prediction contest.

- 2012 A pun I suggested for for the game Akobian vs The World, 2011 ended up winning the <Best Pun> Caissar award! In that game, the World team used a queen sac to force a draw with a flourish. The pun: "Drawma Queen".

- 2012 Won silver and bronze in <lostemperor>'s Wijk Aan Zee 2012 Final Standings prediction contests.

- 2012 Won a bronze in Betting Ranker for the Dortmund 2012 tournament. A complete surprise.

- 2012 At LOOONG last, I managed to make it into my own <Game Prediction Hall of Fame> by winning two golds in Biel 2012 -- both first place ties in Standard Ranker and 123 Ranker :-)

- 2012 Won gold in <lostemperor>'s Bilbao 2012 Final Standings prediction contest.

- 2012 Defeated GM Varuzhan Akobian (with the help of *only* 1500+ other members & their computers) in the classic: Chessgames Challenge: The World vs Akobian, 2012

- 2013 Succeeded in completing a full year without any glorious accomplishments!

- 2014 Defeated GM Simon Kim Williams with the black pieces (with the help of 1100+ other members & their computers) in the classic: Chessgames Challenge: S Williams vs The World, 2013

- 2014 Won two medals in the World Chess Candidates tournament prediction contest: Silver in Betting Ranker and bronze in 123 Ranker.

- 2014 Had a late surge to win two medals in the Norway 2014 prediction contest. Gold (shared 5 ways) in 123 Ranker, and Bronze in Standard Ranker. Also won a silver in <lostemperor>'s Final Standings Betting contest, so it's sort of a perfect sweep: One medal of every color. :-)

- 2014 Defeated Super-GM Arkadij Naiditsch (with some assistance by 1400+ other members & their computers) in the classic: Chessgames Challenge: The World vs Naiditsch, 2014. Some hocus-pocus was involved.

- 2015 Won the <Best Avatar Caissar> award for the 2nd time (see first glorious accomplishment above). I don't like to brag, but (here comes some bragging) this victory has been described as "a small landslide" (The Caissars chessforum (kibitz #1506))

- 2016 Won yet another <Best Avatar Caissar> award for the third time (see 2005 and 2015). Unlike last year's "small landslide", this election was very close, and it even involved a "Steve Harvey-esque" winner-announcement fiasco:

(1)The Caissars chessforum (kibitz #1820)

(2) The Caissars chessforum (kibitz #1895)

I wouldn't want to have <The Caissars>'s job, lol.

- 2017 Taking a break from cg.com...

>> Click here to see YouRang's game collections.

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   YouRang has kibitzed 17416 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Mar-24-17 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
YouRang: <WannaBe: I think you would get more funny one liners than you intended...> I think the funny ones would be welcome. As some Joker once said, "Why so serious?"
 
   Mar-24-17 I Cheparinov vs Drasko, 2007 (replies)
 
YouRang: Friday 22.? [DIAGRAM] One of the first rules in puzzle solving is that if you can take the Pf7, especially with check, start there. Sure enough, the bishop sac <22.Bxf7+ Kxf7> seems to open some interesting avenues by vacating c4 and by exposing black's king. [DIAGRAM] ...
 
   Mar-23-17 A Srebrnic vs A Benderac, 2007 (replies)
 
YouRang: <agb2002: The text 24.e7+ is much stronger than my 24.exf7+, which is also winning according to Stockfish.> Hmmm, but you didn't have 24.exf7+ -- you had 25.exf7+. I think you meant that 24.e7+ was stronger than 24.Qd6+.
 
   Mar-22-17 R Polaczek vs A Antoniou, 2007 (replies)
 
YouRang: <Jimfromprovidence: Side puzzle. If the puzzle had started one move earlier, figure out if 27 Nb5 works.> Very interesting side puzzle. :-)
 
   Mar-21-17 F Berkes vs M Neubauer, 2007 (replies)
 
YouRang: <Once><26. h3 might be a computer's choice, but it's no earthly use to us if we don't know how to win from there.> True, but this problem seems to feature a bunch of moves where we can figure out how to win, and 26.Nxb5 and 26.h3 (and even my lowly 26.Nb3) are among ...
 
   Mar-21-17 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
 
YouRang: <Boomie><Sadly, some of CG's most active posters have left due to harassment by stalkers. This is also why Susan Polgar doesn't post here anymore.> Yep, that's been an ongoing struggle for some time, although its certainly not unique to cg.com. Practically any online ...
 
   Mar-20-17 D B C Prasad vs V Samolins, 2017 (replies)
 
YouRang: Monday 28.? [DIAGRAM] For a brief moment, I noted that Rxf8 would be mate if only I could deflect the Q and N, but that seemed like a tall order. Then I noticed the white queen lurking on b3, and realized that it's really about deflecting the Rf8: <28.Qg8+(*) Rxg8(**)> ...
 
   Mar-20-17 playground player chessforum (replies)
 
YouRang: Congrats pgp! You can do with a dose of happiness. :-)
 
   Mar-19-17 E Tate vs A Chibukhchian, 2013 (replies)
 
YouRang: Insane Sunday 20.? [DIAGRAM] Sort of a typical puzzle position, with black's forces on one side, and the black K on the other with white forces (N, Q, B, 2R and Pe5) all potentially bearing down upon it. The question is, how do we break down black's position? Given that this is ...
 
   Mar-18-17 Karpov vs Ponomariov, 2007 (replies)
 
YouRang: Saturday 28...? [DIAGRAM] I thought I was on to something with <28...Ng3> threatening the Rf1. [DIAGRAM] It seems that White should move the rook (say) <29.Rfe1>, and then comes the attack on the h-file, using Ng3 to block white's queen: <29...Rxh3! 30.Kxh3 ...
 
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Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: 1-2-3 Ranker - <FINAL>

Score,UserID,Rounds,White,Draw,Black
♔ 28,blade2012,9,5/8,9/16,3/3
♔ 28,YouRang,10,5/8,9/19,3/3
♖ 27,chessmoron,10,7/10,7/16,2/4
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26,Beholder,10,5/11,4/12,4/7
25,Golden Executive,10,7/9,5/15,2/6
25,siamesedream,10,6/8,7/17,2/5
24,BLACKER,10,0/0,0/0,8/30
24,WHITER,10,12/30,0/0,0/0
23,pkkandel,10,4/6,6/15,3/9
23,Ragh,10,4/8,6/12,3/10
23,WannaBe,10,4/6,6/15,3/9
23,WinKing,10,2/4,7/19,4/7
22,Blunderdome,10,4/6,5/17,3/7
22,cromat,10,4/9,5/16,3/5
22,su3eichfeld,9,4/12,2/8,4/7
21,nfazli,10,4/10,4/14,3/6
20,OhioChessFan,9,4/6,6/16,2/5
20,wordfunph,10,4/6,6/19,2/5
19,SwitchingQuylthulg,10,6/14,4/11,1/5
17,SloVice,9,2/3,7/21,2/3
16,Penguincw,10,4/6,8/24,0/0
16,wtwz,10,3/6,7/18,1/6
15,Legend,10,1/3,7/22,2/5
13,jsy,10,3/7,7/21,0/2
12,MONKEY,10,3/14,3/10,1/6
12,ooda,6,4/7,4/8,0/3
10,DRAWER,10,0/0,10/30,0/0
6,VargPOD,10,2/9,2/17,0/4
0,mehdimike2,1,0/1,0/2,0/0

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: Betting Ranker - <FINAL>

Earnings,UserID,Rounds
♔ $36.21,blade2012,9
♕ $17.02,Blunderdome,10
♖ $12.74,su3eichfeld,9
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$11.09,YouRang,10
$10.43,pkkandel,10
$9.84,siamesedream,10
$8.22,SwitchingQuylthulg,10
$2.57,chessmoron,10
$1.18,Beholder,10
$1.11,WannaBe,10
-$0.65,Golden Executive,10
-$1.53,ooda,6
-$2.58,Ragh,10
-$3.00,mehdimike2,1
-$3.43,OhioChessFan,9
-$3.91,WinKing,10
-$4.27,nfazli,10
-$7.06,SloVice,9
-$8.03,wordfunph,10
-$8.60,Penguincw,10
-$9.13,cromat,10
-$10.32,jsy,10
-$11.38,Legend,10
-$12.19,wtwz,10
-$24.32,VargPOD,10

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <♗> HALL OF FAME INDUCTION CEREMONY <♗>

Please join me in congratulating the the gold medal winner of Biel 2012, whose performance shall be memorialized forever (or for an indefinite period of time, whichever comes first) in the the <Hall of Fame> (see my profile above):

♔♔♔ <blade2012> Bie12:StdRnk(1t)+123Rnk(1t)+BetRnk(1)

♔♔♕♕♕♖♖ <YouRang> Bie12:StdRnk(1t)+123Rnk(1t) / Dor12:BetRnk(3) / Bil11:123Rnk(2) / Pea10:123Rnk(2t) / Bie07:BetRnk(3) / Dor06:123Rnk(2t)

- Congratulations to newcomer <blade2012> who achieved the astounding accomplishment of a *triple crown* performance despite missing a round! He quite nearly came in sole first place in all contests. As it is, he did earn sole first place in Betting Ranker by a wide margin.

- The Hall also welcomes <YouRang>, who after seven years finally wins gold in his 30th tournament -- in fact *two* gold medals! Also, the Hall officially offers and apology to <YouRang> for the many years in which he has been the butt of jokes around here. Now that <YouRang> is a HOF member, those jokes must stop! Clearly, there is no such thing as an "organizer's curse" after all. It was just a matter of time until a tournament came along with the right combination of BIZARRE OUTCOMES AND DUMB LUCK! HAW! HAW! Heh... Oh, sorry.

Honorable mentions:

- The Hall recognizes the fine performance by <Blunderdome> who won one jackpot and predicted a number of other large payoff games to earn silver in Betting Ranker.

- The Hall confers honorable mentions to HOFer <chessmoron> who added two bronze medals to his growing collection which now includes 14 medals.

- The Hall also welcomes HOFer <su3eichfeld> back to the medals podium as he takes the bronze in Betting Ranker -- The 14th medal in his stellar collection that includes 8 gold medals.

This concludes the Biel 2012 Prediction contest. Thanks to all for playing!

Hope to see you for the next contest, which will be......probably..... Bilbao 2012!

News reports indicate that Bilbao will run from Sept 24 - Oct 13, and among the six player we will see Carlsen, Kramnik and Aronian.

Hope to see you there!

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <For the record>
Below are the medals I have on file for people who have not yet won gold. (If the Hall of Fame is heaven, this is Purgatory)

♕♕♕♖♖♖♖♖
Robin01 ~ Wij12:123Rnk(2)+StdRnk(3t) / Baz11:123Rnk(3)+BetRnk(3) / Pea10:123Rnk(2t) / Wij10:123Rnk(3t) / Dor08:StdRnk(2t)+123Rnk(3t)

♕♕♕
nimh ~ Bie08:BetRnk(2) / Dor08:StdRnk(2t)+123Rnk(2)

♕♕♖♖
Tabanus ~ Dor10:123Rnk(2t)+BetRnk(2) / Lin10:StdRnk(3t)+123Rnk(3t)

♕♕♖
cu8sfan ~ Wij09:BetRnk(2) / Lin08:123Rnk(3t) / Bie07:BetRnk(2)

kellmano ~ Mte07:StdRnk(2t)+123Rnk(2)+BetRnk(3)

whiteshark ~ Pea10:BetRnk(2) / Dor10:123Rnk(2t) / Dor08:123Rnk(3t)

♕♕
call14 ~ Tal11:123Rnk(2t) / Lin08:123Rnk(2)

VargPOD ~ Baz11:StdRnk(2)+123Rnk(2)

♕♖♖♖
Blunderdome ~ Bie12:BetRnk(2) / Wij12:StdRnk(3t) / Pea10:StdRnk(3t) / Wij10:StdRnk(3t)

♕♖♖
Billy Vaughan ~ Tal09:BetRnk(3) / Mte08:123Rnk(2t)+StdRnk(3t)

Broon Bottle ~ WCC07:StdRnk(3t) / Dor07:StdRnk(2)+123Rnk(3t)

♕♖
Elixir of Life ~ Mte07:BetRnk(2) / Lin07:BetRnk(3)

just a kid ~ Dor09:BetRnk(2)+123Rnk(3t)

siamesedream ~ Wij12:StdRnk(2)+123Rnk(3)


falso contacto ~ Dor11:BetRnk(2)

Golden Executive ~ Tal11:123Rnk(2t)

Jafar219 ~ Dor06:BetRnk(2)

jessicafischerqueen ~ Lin07:BetRnk(2)

karpkasp ~ Wij12:BetRnk(2)

rogge ~ Pea09:StdRnk(2t)

Thorski ~ Tal09:BetRnk(2)

Xaurus ~ Mte08:BetRnk(2)

♖♖♖♖
nikooshu ~ Wij10:StdRnk(3t)+BetRnk(3) / Mte08:StdRnk(3t) / Lin09:StdRnk(3t)

♖♖
micartouse ~ Wij07:123Rnk(3t)+BetRnk(3)

square dance ~ WCC07:StdRnk(3t) / Lin07:StdRnk(3t)


Aurora ~ Dor08:123Rnk(3t)

BishopofBlunder ~ Bil11:BetRnk(3)

Montreal1666 ~ Dor06:StdRnk(3t)

Penguincw ~ Wij12:StdRnk(3t)

poorpatzer ~ Wij11:BetRnk(3)

TechN9ne ~ Dor06:StdRnk(3t)

Vincent1987 ~ Dor07:BetRnk(3)

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Standard Ranker, D@ng, 1-2-3 Ranker, Double D@ng, Betting Ranker, Triple D@ng.

Missed out on <ALL 3>!! Quadruple D@ng.

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: Thanks for hosting. Congratz to winner. To Yourang: Firstly, thanks for hosting. Secondly, congratz for making it to the HOF. Lastly, no more long streaks of not winning gold. ;)
Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Congratulations to all the medal winners <blade>, <YouRang>, <Blunderdome> <chessmoron> & <su3eichfeld>. Awesome performance <blade> on pulling off 'the hat trick'!!!

Thanks for another great tournament <YouRang>!

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: YEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! <YouRang> wins not one but two GOLDS! Way to get that 'monkey off your back'!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo9r...

Let the celebration begin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tb4...

Enjoy it to the fullest <YouRang> - Congratulations!

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Oh yeah almost forgot. Welcome to the HOF
<blade> & <YouRang>! :)
Aug-02-12  cromat: congrats all winners...

<YouRang>, Welcome 2 HOF and thanks 4 finding time 2 host this contest! It's always fun 2 take part in it. Looking forward 4 the next!

Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: Thank you, <YouRang> for running back-to-back tournaments! Plus the withdraw/substitution for Biel. =)
Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: In related news, the earth tipped off its axis, hell froze over, and the Cubs won the World Series.
Aug-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Golden Executive: Congratulations to all the winners.

A triple crown by <blade2012> who besides missed one round is a big deal.

<YouRang> has finally left the purgatory. Justice was done!

Congratulations and thanks <YouRang> for hosting this amazing contest.

Aug-03-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  wordfunph: grats to all the winners and special thanks to our excellent host <YouRang>!
Aug-03-12  blade2012: Thanks to all for congrats and thanks <YouRang> for hosting this funny contest!
Aug-03-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: Many thanks for the kind words and congratulatory remarks. :-)

Special thanks to <blade2012> for picking all draws in the final round of a tournament which had twice as many decisive games as draws.

If I had been shut out of the gold medals yet again in my 30th try because someone took a triple crown on their first try (despite missing a round!), it would have likely pushed me over the edge into howling-at-the-moon lunacy. (Although I do enjoy howling at the moon -- millions of dogs can't be wrong.)

~~~~

I just returned from the Hall of Fame where the Induction Ceremony was held. It was every bit as glorious as I had imagined it to be (which figures since it is, after all, an imaginary place).

Yes, there were the giant statues of <Legend>, <su3eichfeld>, <lostemperor> and others; the opulent shrines commemorating the triple crown performances, the theatre showing film clips that reviewed all the dramatic medal winning performances of the past. There wasn't a dry eye in there I can tell you!

Naturally, most of the crowd was there to get <blade2012>'s autograph, and rightfully so. They looked at me with a "who let HIM in here" expression, but I didn't care. Because there on the wall was a shiny new plaque with my name on it. They even put it in a frequently visited corridor. (It's right next to the dumpster, so people see it whenever they take out their trash.)

Yes, life is good for us Hall of Famers. ;-)

Aug-03-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: <YouRang: Yes, life is good for us Hall of Famers. ;-)>

I know it felt good to say that - "for *us* Hall of Famers". 'Rock on' <YouRang>.

Aug-03-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: Thanks <WinKing> for the encouragement. And I don't want to stop here.

Using optimistic modeling techniques, I've already calculated that, at this pace, I should overtake <Legend> for the top spot around the year 2036. This assumes, of course, that <Legend> and others who have a proven knack for earning medals will suddenly stop winning. ;-)

Aug-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: Just had a frustrating loss vs. the Playing Zone computer:

[White "YouRang"]
[Black "Computer 2"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nf3 d5 4. exd5 Nf6 5. c4 O-O 6. Nc3 c6 7. dxc6 Nxc6 8. d5 Na5 9. b4 Nxd5 10. Nxd5 Bxa1 11. bxa5 e6 12. Nb4 Bc3+ 13. Bd2 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 Qxa5 15. Be2 b6 16. O-O Bb7 17. Rb1 Rac8 18. Qc3 Rc5 19. a3 Rfc8 20. Rd1 Bxf3 21. Qxf3 Rf5 22. Qb7 Qc5 23. Nd3 Qc7 24. Qxc7 Rxc7 25. Rc1 Rg5 26. f4 Ra5 27. Rc3 Rb5 28. Ne5 Rb1+ 29. Kf2 Rb2 30. g4 f6 31. Nd3 Ra2 32. h4 Rf7 33. Kf3 e5 34. Nc1 Ra1 35. c5 Re7 36. c6 Rc7 37. Ba6 exf4 38. Kxf4 h6 39. Bb7 Rb1 40. Na2 Rf1+ 41. Kg3 Rg1+ 42. Kf3 Rh1 43. Kg2 Rxh4 44. Nb4 Rxg4+ 45. Kf3 Rg5 46. Na6 Re7 47. c7 Rf5+ 48. Kg3 Rg5+ 49. Kf2 Rf5+ 50. Bf3 Rxc7 51. Rxc7 g5 52. Kg3 Ra5 53. Rxa7 Rxa3 54. Ra8+ Kg7 55. Nc7 Rxa8 56. Nxa8 b5 57. Bd5 f5 58. Nc7 b4 59. Na6 f4+ 60. Kg4 b3 61. Bxb3 Kf6 62. Bc2 Ke6 63. Nb4 Ke5 64. Na2 Kf6 65. Nc1 Kg7 66. Ne2 Kf6 67. Nd4 Kf7 68. Kf5 Kg8 69. Kg6 g4 70. Kxh6 f3 71. Bd3 f2 72. Bf1 g3 73. Nf5 g2 74. Bxg2 Kf7 75. Ne3 Kg8

Final position (I had white):


click for larger view

It was a good game, and I was looking forward to winning with B+N -- but then I lost on time. :-(

Aug-18-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: Not sure if this story is sad, happy, or funny...

<Anti-Semitic pol who discovered Jewish roots faces tough road away from hate

What if you're not who you think you are? Earlier this month, a Hungarian politician who used "Jewishness" as an insult and floated conspiracy theories about Jewish people buying up his country's property resigned all his political positions after his colleagues realized he was secretly Jewish....>

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...

Aug-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: It's not so hard to take that 'road away from hate' if one is so minded.
Aug-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <perfidious: It's not so hard to take that 'road away from hate' if one is so minded.>

Yes, but being 'so minded' is the hard part. It often means rejecting core beliefs that have been ingrained since childhood by the people you most love and trust.

For most people, such ingrained ideas become 'hallowed truths' -- off limits to even the self scrutiny that comes with maturing to adulthood.

Sep-12-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <The Deafness Before the Storm>

More on what the Bush Administration knew before the Sept 11, 2001 terrorist attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/o...

Sep-12-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Dave Chappelle had a disturbing skit about a Black anti-black racist. There were some moments that were laugh provoking, but it was so disturbing it felt odd to laugh, which was the whole point.

Per what Bush knew, I think most of those claims are a canard. It's easy to cherry pick out now, that stuff that was on target. What kind of other stuff did they "know" then that didn't come to fruition?

Sep-13-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <OhioChessFan><Per what Bush knew, I think most of those claims are a canard. It's easy to cherry pick out now, that stuff that was on target. What kind of other stuff did they "know" then that didn't come to fruition?>

True. If the "on target" stuff was mixed in with a bunch of "off target" stuff, and the writer chose to omit the the off target stuff, that would be one potential way to distort this story.

Similarly if the sort of "warnings" that Bush received were actually commonplace, with no reason to think they were different from all the others that didn't amount to anything, that would be another potential distortion.

However, I haven't seen evidence that these sorts of distortions actually occurred. I don't think it would be hard to produce this evidence if it existed.

The story, and the comments reportedly made by the CIA officials suggests that these threats were credible and not commonplace. Besides that, I do think that Bush considered Iraq a bigger threat (as the story says), and that he may have accepted the story that Bin Laden and Hussein were in cahoots.

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