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Mar-25-19
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  MissScarlett: Paul Morphy (kibitz #1921)

<Tab>, any biographical detail on these characters would be welcomed.

Mar-25-19
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  Tabanus: <Miss> I'll have a look on those if in CG database.
Mar-25-19  crawfb5: <Annie> I have been updating missing games from world championship correspondence finals. Having done the events with few missing games, I am now left with those missing 45-136 games (Game Collection: 0 - meta correspondence world championship). It would be easiest to submit the entire event and let the system reject the duplicates, but if that would be an issue, I can pull out just the missing games. Should I email each event's text file or stuff them in the PGN upload box?
Mar-25-19
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  Annie K.: In.re. <Site> tag; I recall the previous discussions. I want to see where the <game> took place in this tag. As a user, there's nothing more useless and frustrating than a vague list of locations here, when all I want to know is where the game I'm looking at was played - and this is the interest of the vast majority of users, which is what we should cater to. Btw, Daniel was of the same opinion, which is why the suggested changes never happened.

<crawfb5> you can submit the whole thing to the PGN Upload, the duplicates will be rejected automatically, it's not a problem.

Mar-25-19
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  MissScarlett: In other words, <zanzibore>, on your bike!
Mar-25-19
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  Tabanus: Voting time again.

I was plannig to number the footnotes, but discovered I had no energy. The video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEv... was uploaded only 3 months ago.

Mar-25-19  crawfb5: <Annie> Thanks. I will finish the game collection for one event at a time to space out the submissions a bit. There are about 15 finals to be updated, with no games at all in our database for a few of them.
Mar-25-19  zanzibar: <<Missy> In other words, <zanzibore>, on your bike!>

Not sure what exactly prompted this, nor what is exactly meant.

I'll just play it safe and assume it's an insult of one kind or another. A bit unfortunate to set such a tone on the Bistro, but I can roll with it - on two or four wheels as need be.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-4...

Guess I'm the guy on the back of the bike, the one who initially got side-swiped.

(And yes, I am a biker, both street and dirt - with about as good a right-cross, but with a little better sense than walking back onto the track, at least without looking!)

Mar-26-19  zanzibar: Just got back from a bike ride, circa 1934:

Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Rematch (1934)

I was hoping for an interesting itinerary of central Europe - but it's a bit of a mess.

Damn shame, given it's a WCC (re)match.

Gotta say, the only thing being worse than an unnormalized PGN with good content, is an unnormalized PGN with bad content.

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Mar-28-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Steamed Colleagues>

I would like to change this player name to his real name- <Karlis Betins>: Karl Behting

<Karlis Betins> spent his whole life and chess career in Latvia, so I do not see the value of retaining a Germanized version of his name?

Mar-28-19
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  Chessical: I have over the last few months been going through the World Championship collections and applying the Stockfish analysis module. This is because I believe (and have suggested) that nominated collections should have such analysis added for all to benefit. Could I invite others to join me to finish the task appreciably more quickly?
Mar-28-19
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  Telemus: Hello <jessicafischerqueen>!

<I would like to change this player name to his real name- <Karlis Betins>: Karl Behting>

Are you sure? Riga had a large German minority then. <B..> was a member of the "Rigaer Schachverein" and he co-edited "Baltische Schachblätter". A short search at delpher indicated that he played as Bething in Paris 1924. Why, if his real name was Betins?

Mar-28-19
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  Tabanus: Search Kibitzing, my gut feeling says Betins, but maybe it was a German family. Or mixed.
Mar-28-19
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  Telemus: <Tabanus: Search Kibitzing> That's for premium only.

Here some general information on the languages in Riga (sorry, I didn't find it in English): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riga#...

Skjoldager & Nielsen in their book on Nimzowitsch have Behting for him and his brother. They are Riga experts and knowing their accurateness I would be very surprised, if they would be wrong. Gaige has Betins as main name and so they couldn't overlook the isssue.

Mar-28-19
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  MissScarlett: <Tab>, do the bizzo with regard to George Perigal.

With especial reference as to whether he was a man of business or of independent means. His obituary in the <CPC> praised him as a generous patron of the game.

Mar-28-19
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  Tabanus: <Miss> A little extra space for him in the church book upon baptism and a mention of the dob there could indicate some wealth. Can't find him in the 1851 census. Bell's Life 22 April says he was "confined him to his room by severe illness" the last 4 years.
Mar-28-19
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  MissScarlett: Perigal was in the bankruptcy court in 1848 alongside, Charles Brady; their partnership as wine merchants dated back to 1843, but Perigal had been in the trade since 1833. Seems they were back under the beak in 1850.

He wouldn't be the only chess Maecenas who was free and easy with other people's money.

Mar-28-19
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  Tabanus: <Miss> See Geni link on his page, he's probably the brother of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry....
Mar-28-19  zanzibar: <<Chessical> Could I invite others to join me to finish the task appreciably more quickly?>

I'm pretty sure you can send out invitations....

I might be interested.

What exactly are you doing? Running the games through a blunder-check on your PC, or doing some kind of <CG> thing with its engine?

Mar-29-19
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  sakredkow: Just a suggestion, maybe someone can explain why it's not a good idea or too difficult. I would like to see more information about the players' chess style in their chessgames biography. I think overall that would help my understanding of chess.
Mar-29-19
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  Chessical: <Zanzibar> I am using the "Computer Game Analysis" button.
Mar-29-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Telemus> That is useful information, thank you.

I agree that we should keep Karl Behting .

Latvian chess organizations/journals/newspapers always refer to him as <Karlis Betins>, but if <Betins> himself was involved in German-language activities, as you say, and was part of the German community in Latvia, then I think we should keep his name as it is.

Mar-29-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<On Betins/Behting>, you can see from the Latvian Wikipedia article that he was born "Kārlis Bētiņš" (his father's name also). But he must have had German, because at an early stage of his career he was publishing articles in the <Deutsche Schachzeitung>.

https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%...

Personally I would like to see <Karlis Betins>, but that says more about my bias towards Latvian Chess History than it does about the facts.

I doubt there are enough facts to justify changing his current name- Karl Behting

At any rate, anyone who cares to read his cg.com bio page will see the Latvian spelling of his name in the first sentence.

Mar-29-19  zanzibar: <Chessical> luckily for you I've never used any of my allotted "fuel".

So, I'd be glad to let you use my share.

Unluckily for you, I've never used the feature - so you'll have to give my a cookbook recipe for the doing, and point at the games you'd like "cooked".

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Mar-29-19  zanzibar: Here's a little something to try and cheer <Missy> up on this gloomy evening:

https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/v...

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