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Mar-30-19
 | | Stonehenge: Guideline nr. 1 in the PGN upload should be:
First check the bloody player names in the database and then copy them (if necessary) into the PGN, surname first then a comma and then the first name. After hundreds of correction slips I'm getting a bit tired of this, especially when nothing seems to happen with them anyway. |
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Mar-30-19
 | | MissScarlett: <surname first then a comma and then the first name.> That's the received protocol, but as the software 'corrects' names to the standard form, what's the point? |
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Mar-30-19 | | zanzibar: The standard form is wrong - that's the problem. I never understood <Switch>'s support of that protocol - other than it being grandfathered. It would be trivially easy to go from FIDE, or collating format to non-collating, but much more difficult the other way. So <CG> should store in FIDE format, and have a user option for backwards compatibility. * * * * *
<Snark alert>
But you guys are pretty much hopeless(*), when it comes to PGN/database issues - and I won't be holding my breath waiting for fixes. After all, as some have noted elsewhere, <CG> is a legacy site. (*) E.g. see multi-site tag discussion, etc.
</Snark off>
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Mar-30-19
 | | Chessical: <Zanzibar> I am using the "Computer Game Analysis" button. Press this and a "FULL GAME ANALYSIS — Critique the Game via Stockfish" panel appears. You can ask that "extra attention" be paid to a particular move if you should wish before pressing the blue "Request Analysis" button. You should then see a Gif of two moving interconnected cogs to indicate that your analysis is underway. A history of all your recent analysis is held in the Laboratory. At first, I went through world championship won games only, but later I changed to complete matches. I have since been working forward from Steinitz - Zukertort World Championship Match (1886) to Alekhine - Euwe World Championship Match (1935). I appear to have been distracted at some stage and left Steinitz - Gunsberg World Championship Match (1890) unfinished. <Are there any other Editors willing to contribute to a complete computer analysis of the World Championships "pro bono publico?"> |
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Mar-30-19
 | | Tabanus: Does one have to be an Editor to do it? |
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Mar-30-19 | | zanzibar: <Chessical> so it's on a move-by-move basis then? So I have to actually think, at least to some extent, and select interesting positions? OK - I think I'll run the games through SCID blunder check first, to try to find the positions. This means I'll be working at a slower rate than I expected - since I thought the computers would be doing all the work. OK, with that cavaet - I assume you want me to do thos games in <Steinitz--Gunsberg (1890)> that don't have a chemistry flask icon. . |
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Mar-30-19
 | | Chessical: <Zanzibar> You can simply set the computer off if you wish. <Tabanus> Everybody is welcome to join in. |
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Mar-30-19
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Annie K> I am so sorry- I have tried to upload this pgn twice now and I finally figured out that it had a malformed site field. I have fixed it now- I think this should make it through the PGN Upload machine: [Event "Match Latvia SSR - Lithuania SSR"]
[Site "Riga URS"]
[Date "1941.??.??"]
[EventDate "1941.03.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Dreibergs, Leonids"]
[Black "Abramavicius, Leonardus"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Source "rusbase"]
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.Nc3 Nxc3 4.bxc3 d6 5.f4 dxe5 6.fxe5 Qd5 7.Nf3
Bg4 8.d4 c5 9.Be2 cxd4 10.cxd4 e6 11.O-O Be7 12.c4 Qd7 13.Be3
O-O 14.d5 f6 15.exf6 Bxf6 16.Ne5 Bxe2 17.Nxd7 Bxd1 18.Nxf8 Bxa1
19.Nxe6 Nd7 20.Rxd1 Bf6 21.c5 Nf8 22.Nxf8 Kxf8 23.Rb1 Re8 24.Kf2
Re7 25.c6 bxc6 26.dxc6 Rc7 27.Rb8+ Ke7 28.Rb7 Kd8 29.Rxc7 Kxc7
30.Bxa7 Kxc6 31.Ke3 Kb5 32.Bd4 Bg5+ 33.Ke4 g6 34.Kd5 Bc1 35.Bc5
g5 36.g4 1-0 |
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Mar-30-19
 | | Annie K.: <Jess> no problem :)
L Dreibergs vs Leonardus Abramavicius, 1941 |
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Mar-30-19 | | zanzibar: <<Tab> Does one have to be an Editor to do it?> Guess <Tab>'s never done the computer thing. * * * * *
<Classical> I'm a little confused - I only have 2000 fuel units, and don't exactly want to squander them. The cookbook question becomes - how do you select the positions to analyze, and how deep do you go (i.e. how many fuel units for a given position)? And if you want a run over the entire game, then how much fuel/move? Given that the "fuel" is being rationed, some consideration for appropriations is appropriate. Unless you think a low-level blunder-type pass (at what? 4 fuel units/move?) is the ticket. Sorry to belabor the point - but you've already had some experience. E.g.
Gunsberg vs Steinitz, 1890 [analysis] says Stockfish was run at min 6s/ply (which is a bit fast imo) - I assume for all the moves in the game, correct? How much fuel/move does this translate to?
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Mar-30-19 | | zanzibar: <Chessical> just to get the gears moving, I did the full game at 4 fuels/move of this game: Steinitz vs Gunsberg, 1890 Just started it. I suppose <Daniel> didn't set up a notification for when it finishes. But I'll check back later tonight. . |
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Mar-30-19 | | zanzibar: PS- I really wish the game links would should the round numbers. . |
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Mar-30-19 | | X files: [This is <Zanzibar>'s posting - maybe for the last time] <chessical> sorry, but due to political, er, "difficulties", I won't be able to help you in your project. Just as well, I suppose. I hope others recognize your contributions and support your efforts. I know I have. I hereby grant <CG> express permission to transfer any/all of my fuel credits to <chessical>. . |
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Mar-30-19
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Annie> Thank you! |
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Mar-31-19
 | | Tabanus: <Annie> The 26th Bunratty Masters (2019) table looks like a fish bone. The 2200 rating limit does not work here to produce a table you can be proud of, why not take in all the 151 (not 36) games available, similar to Bunratty Masters (2016). It should be all or nothing, IMO. Btw there were six Bunrattys in CG from before, all without "xth" in front. |
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Mar-31-19
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> Not our filter - we got the pgn file from TWIC, and that only had the 36 games. If you say there were more games, we'll try the official site. Let's do some more tournament name normalizations en masse after I clear out the upload queue, and some more slips. ;) A few words about how Stockfish works. :)
(1) Anybody can use it of course, you don't have to be an editor.
(2) Fuel regenerates over time. You'll never run out completely, you'll just have to wait for it to fill back up. 2000 is the tank cap, it stops refilling at that point. |
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Apr-01-19
 | | Tabanus: <Annie> 151 games now, much better, thanks. I'll edit standings later. <tournament name normalizations> Aaaall right :) I'll be ready after Corus 2002. Which may still take a while. |
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Apr-05-19
 | | Tabanus: Done with the introduction bladder writing in poor English. The three last Corus'es are up for voting. |
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Apr-06-19
 | | jnpope: Somebody should create some biographies of these two gentleman. J H Turner <<While some of the players upon the political chess board are making but a sorry figure at the moves, there is a real game of chess in progress here, wherein the parties concerned are covering themselves with merited glory. The competitors are C. H. Stanley, Esq., a native of England, but for the last eight years a resident in New York, and James H. Turner, Esq., of Lexington, Kentucky. The stakes are $1000 to the winner of the first eleven games. The match commenced on Monday last, the 11th instant, when Mr. Stanley won three games, and a fourth was drawn. On Tuesday, Mr. Stanley won two games and Mr. Turner two. This morning (Wednesday) Mr. Turner was the winner of the only game which has been played up to dinner time. The longest game yet disposed of, was that of to-day, which lasted two hours and twenty minutes; the shortest, a very brilliant one, in which Mr. Stanley was victor, was over in twenty minutes. Great interest prevails here regarding this war of skill, but only in consequence of Mr. Stanley’s established reputation as the best chess player in America, and the high value set upon Mr. Turner’s capabilities wherever he is known; but because the contest is carried on in a most chivalrous spirit, and with an unfeigned appreciation on either side of the qualities and skill of the other.>-New York Herald, Morning Edition, 1850.02.16, p1>
https://www.newspapers.com/image/46...
<<Rachel E. Turner, a native of Montgomery County, Ky., is a daughter of Rezin H. and Rachel Gist. [...]
Rachel E. Turner received a good education, principally at Winchester and Richmond, Ky.; she married James H. Turner, March 3, 1846. He was born in Fayette County, Ky., September 30, 1822, received a good education and was a graduate of law at Transylvania University, Lexington, Ky.; he was also a man of fine literary attainments; after practicing law several years he gave up the profession to engage in agricultural pursuits, his wife having inherited the old homestead; he afterward represented the County of Montgomery in the Legislature. He enlisted in the Federal army in the war between the States, but on account of his health failing resigned and died very soon after, October 23, 1863, leaving five children [...]>
Kentucky: A History of the State, 8th Edition, Louisville 1888, p997>
https://books.google.com/books?id=q... James H. Turner was probably a gentleman farmer, and no longer practicing law, in 1850; see <<Löwenthal's Visit to America>
The Book of the First American Chess Congress, pp391-394>
https://books.google.com/books?id=_... John Spencer Turner <<John Spencer Turner was born in Philadelphia on March 3, 1830; when old enough he apprenticed himself to the trade of sailmaking and rigging, and twelve years later was admitted to the firm of Gilbert, Hubbard & Co. In 1867 he moved to New York and connected himself with the commission firm of Theodore Polhemus & Co. After many changes in the firm he took control of the business, which he still retains. He is married and resides at 57 Remsen street. He is vice-president of the Hamilton Club and a member of the Crescent Athletic, Brooklyn, and Brooklyn Chess clubs, and the Merchants' and Union League clubs of New York. He is a life member of the Brooklyn Library Association. He is a 32° Mason, and is president of the board of trustees of the Strong place Baptist Church. In politics he has always been a staunch Republican.>
The Eagle and Brooklyn: The Record of the Progress of the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Howard, Volume 2, 1893, p1015>
https://books.google.com/books?id=S... And for the love of all that is holy, John Spencer Turner did not play the 1850 match with Charles H. Stanley so please reassign those Turner-Stanley games to James H. Turner ASAP!! (I nearly s#!t myself when I saw this site has J. S. Turner playing Stanley -- I really don't need to be haunted by my Kentucky ancestors!) |
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Apr-06-19
 | | Tabanus: <jnpope> Some preliminary actions have been taken :) |
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Apr-07-19
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Steamed Colleagues> I am going to submit some games from this Latvian chess player, and I want to be sure not to create a new player page if one already exists with a different spelling. <Valerians Indulens> https://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valer... I typed in a variety of possible spellings of "Indulens" to the cg. search box but nothing came up so far that I can see. |
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Apr-07-19
 | | jnpope: <Tabanus: <jnpope> Some preliminary actions have been taken :)> Thank you. I see from some of the comments under the John Spencer Turner page that members have been pointing out this egregious error since 2006... I don't hold out much hope of CG ever fixing things if they haven't bothered to for the last thirteen years. |
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Apr-08-19
 | | Tabanus: <jnpope> CG is good at programming, but elementary school kids on most such things. They've never been much concerned about what they fill their application with. But they have a good correction slip processor (paid or unpaid) right now, since about early February, so there's still hope. |
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Apr-08-19
 | | Tabanus: <jess> I think you can safely assume he's not in CG from before. Did you try "Valerian Indulgence"? |
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Apr-08-19
 | | Stonehenge: <but elementary school kids on most such things. They've never been much concerned about what they fill their application with.> Indeed, time for me to go into hibernation once again. Pearls before swine :( |
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