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|Nov-03-11|| ||Everett: <`I can`t imagine that something like <ME> can simply dissapear?`>|
Am I reading this right, that his tremendous ego asserts because of his greatness his soul must live on somehow? Interesting... But it does not mean he wouldnt be willing to teach and pass on his knowledge.
Actually, besides Smyslov's faith and alien visitation, I don't know much about the chess greats (non)belief of the afterlife.
|Nov-04-11|| ||bronkenstein: <Am I reading this right, that his tremendous ego asserts because of his greatness his soul must live on somehow?> Pretty much the way I understood it.|
Chess masters throughout history had much stronger tendencies to be indifferent or even leave their religious studies and go playing chess than the opposite (Steinitz , Rubinstein) .
Fischer might be the lone example of getting back to religion ( wait , was Reshevsky with him in that sect...? Some of the episodes from his Sousse interzonal had something to do with them refusing to play on saturday , or at least during it`s daylight).
|Jun-18-12|| ||solskytz: I wonder what is the meaning of "Best of 30 games, and 6 wins"|
Does it means that if after 30 games, for example, Euwe would be up a point but with 5 to 4 wins (rather than 9 to 8 as happened actually), then they would have to play on, until one or the other of them collected his 6th win?
We would then have another Alekhine-Capablanca, or Karpov-Kasparov 1984 (which, just maybe, isn't such a bad idea after all, even if it costs a little more in health and money...)
|Jun-18-12|| ||tjoff: <wait , was Reshevsky with him in that sect...? Some of the episodes from his Sousse interzonal had something to do with them refusing to play on saturday , or at least during it`s daylight>|
No, Reshevsky was not in Fischers sect.
As an orthodox jew, Reshevsky did not play on the jewish sabbath (saturday).
Any biographic text on Reshevsky will tell you that much, so no need to speculate.
|Jun-18-12|| ||RookFile: Best of 30 games and 6 wins means that you can win the match either by being ahead after 30 games or by getting your 6th win of the match, whichever comes first. As soon as either one of these things happens, the match ends.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||thomastonk: <Rookfile: Best of 30 games and 6 wins means that you can win the match either by being ahead after 30 games or by getting your 6th win of the match, whichever comes first.> Alekhine scored his 6th win in the 16th match game.|
|Jun-18-12|| ||AVRO38: <RookFile:Best of 30 games and 6 wins means that you can win the match either by being ahead after 30 games or by getting your 6th win of the match, whichever comes first. As soon as either one of these things happens, the match ends.>|
Wrong! All of Alekhine's title defenses and the 1937 return match required the winner to score 6 wins AND 15.5 points.
|Jun-18-12|| ||RookFile: Well, in theory somebody could score 1 win and have 29 draws, and get 15.5 points. Is there documentation available that says the match would continue until the guy got 5 more wins?|
|Jun-18-12|| ||solskytz: Basically my question :-]|
|Jun-18-12|| ||Petrosianic: <I wonder what is the meaning of "Best of 30 games, and 6 wins"> |
It means that BOTH of those conditions are required. So, for example, if after 30 games, you're ahead +4-3=23, the match continues until somebody has 6 wins. (And it might not be the guy who had the +4). If someone scores the 6 Wins before Game 30, then there's no difference between a straight Best of 30 format.
Conversely, Best of 30 <OR> 6 Wins would mean that you can win one way or the other, but are not required to fulfill both conditions. So, if you won the first 6 games, the match would be over, without your needing to score the 15.5 points.
|Jun-18-12|| ||RookFile: I'm sure AVRO is right, because Alekhine would have been declared the winner in this match after game 16 if it was first to 6 wins.|
|Jun-19-12|| ||DWINS: In his book, "Extreme chess", Purdy says the following about the terms of the match.|
"The match was to consist of 30 games, but the winner's score had to include at least six wins.
The set number of games is an unfortunate condition that was imposed in order to give each city a certain portion of the match, in consideration of its contribution to the expenses.
The effect is that as soon as one player has won 6 games every draw brings him nearer victory. His opponent is handicapped by having to avoid drawish lines, and the final score is not necessarily an indication of the true relative strengths of the contestants."
He doesn't say what would have happened if neither player had scored 6 wins after thirty games.
|Jun-19-12|| ||thomastonk: Since "facts" in chess history often turn out to be wrong, I always like to see a contemporary source for validation.|
In the newspaper "De Indische Courant" dated September 30, 1935 (and hence only a few days before the match begun) Euwe explained the rules almost the same way as <Petrosianic> did above (only the scores in the example slightly differs).
|Jun-20-12|| ||AVRO38: <Petrosianic:It's not just chess, I've never seen a color shot of Churchhill, Stalin or FDR. Governments that spend 400 bucks for a hammer couldn't have popped for a roll of color film now and then?>|
That's because you're a cultural pygmy. There are tons of old color photographs available on the internet.
Ever hear of Wikipedia?
|Aug-06-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Euwe: "Of course it was stupid for me to give him a draw in the last game, since I had a won game. But the draw was enough for me to win the World Title.">|
Alas, poor Schlechter!
|Aug-07-12|| ||RookFile: That's exactly right. You win the championship first and ask questions later.|
|Aug-07-12|| ||perfidious: Here we see a future champion display the same pragmatic approach in a de facto title match (Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1974).|
|Nov-16-12|| ||pericles of athens: anybody else notice that alekhine won
3 french winawers here against euwe - 41 moves each? interesting coincidence, if you can call it that.
|Nov-17-12|| ||thomastonk: This picture http://www.pic-upload.de/view-16935... was taken on October 18th, 1935, i.e. the day after the seventh game. Alekhine and Lasker are playing bridge in the bridge club "Bagatelle", while Maroczy and Tartakower are watching. The sitting woman is Mrs Alekhine. Can anybody else be identified?|
|Nov-18-12|| ||thomastonk: <pericles of athens: 41 moves each> Resigning a game after time control is not unusual. Game 3 and 7 were adjourned and not continued, game 9 was resigned immediately. Alekhine won another game at move 41, and Euwe won three games at move 41. All these games were won by White. And then there are two Black wins by Euwe at move 40. So, more than the half of all decisive games ended just after the time control.|
|Aug-04-13|| ||offramp: Which game or games were played in Deventer? I am going back there soon and I'll replay the right game when I am there.|
|Aug-04-13|| ||thomastonk: <offramp: Deventer> I could not find any game of this matched played in Deventer. |
I have the following:
Amsterdam: 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 12, 18, 20, 23, 25, 28, 29, 30
The Hague: 4, 11, 22, 27
Delft: 5, 24
|Aug-04-13|| ||thomastonk: <offramp: Deventer> And now I have also checked the return match in 1937, and again I found no game played in Deventer. And it seems that no round of Game Collection: AVRO 1938 was played there as well. :-(|
|Aug-04-13|| ||offramp: <Thomas tonk> thank you very much. Deventer is a pretty big town in the east and I really thought it would have hosted a game. Thanks for your time!|
|Aug-12-13|| ||Calli: Schaken with AA and Max http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oii4... |
Yes, I know, AA was totally snockered at the dinner.
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