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Apr-08-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

You guys the new administration is trying hard and they are producing movement on game uploads and correction slips. I think the corrections take longer, but they probably should, since it's important for them to verify the information in the slip.

My pgn submission list and correction submission list was entirely frozen for ages. Not now though.

I think the new administration was clever in the way that they solved the challenges of keeping cg.com going. They seem to have prioritized tasks in proper order to attain that goal. I think that the challenges they faced were formidable, and they may well remain formidable as far as we know.

Just recently <Sargon> gave individual help to several members after a DDOS attack. This was so remarkable that a <"Sargon helped me to..."> meme spontaneously arose on the cg.com page.

Memorable Quotes chessforum (kibitz #1586)

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I think there are many reasons to remain optimistic.

Apr-08-19
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  MissScarlett: Someone here needs to bite the bullet and implore <zanzibore> to return for the good of the site....who will it be, I wonder.
Apr-08-19
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  Tabanus: <Stonehenge> Come on, not again. Our pearls will remain, they won't eat them.
Apr-08-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<MissScarlett> I was just thinking the same thing this morning.

<z's> contribution to the Bistro, especially his multilingual internet search skills, are already sorely missed.

<z> I hope you will return to the Bistro and your chess history work here.

Apr-08-19
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  jnpope: Would it be better to upload a bunch of corrected games and then notify CG to delete the older "bad" games vs a correction slip? At least that way the correct game would exist and we could create a post linking the bad game to the good game until deletion occurs.
Apr-09-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

On which players participated in Game Collection: Sverdlovsk 1942 National Tournament I think I have a solution with respect to which "Poliak" was present.

It was Evsey Poliak , not Abram Borisovich Poliak .

This is important to me, because I have all of the pgns from this tournament and in future I would like to submit it to the Tournament Index

<365Chess> lists Abram Borisovich Poliak as the participant, and that is the name on the pgns I downloaded from them.

But it is actually Evsey Poliak

Rolf Voland's "Strategem im Hinterland- Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-1945" published a crosstable for <Sverdlovsk 1942> based on an actual contemporaneous source- a tournament bulletin:

"Sverdlovskij sachmatnyj turnir s ucastiem masterov SSSR; Sverdlovsk 1942"

But the crosstable lists a "J. Poljak"

I just now realized why- Voland's volume is in German, and the "j" is meant to sound as a "y" in English.

So if you type "Evsey Poliak" into the google translator from English to Russian, you will see the Russian result to be "Yevsey Polyak". Now click on the "sound icon" and listen to the pronunciation in Russian- it clearly says "Yevsey Polyak". So in German, "Jevesy Poljak".

Here is a screenshot of the translation result: https://i.imgur.com/evX5op2.png

So the contemporaneous tournament bulletin cited by Voland does not conflict with the listing of Evsey Poliak as the correct participant.

Now the tournament bulletin matches the Rusbase information- which lists "E. Poliak" in the crosstable, and "Evsey Poliak" on the pgns if you download them.

http://al20102007.narod.ru/nat_tour...

"E. Poliak" on Rusbase becomes "J. Polyak" in the German language crosstable published by Voland.

I believe this mystery is solved.

Apr-10-19  Paint My Dragon: Well done.

It always felt like Rusbase should be the more reliable of the everyday sources. You can tell that the editor has a diligent approach to his work.

Apr-10-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<PMD> Yes I also tend to think Rusbase is generally most accurate on Russian chess dates, crosstables and pgns. He is specializing in Russian events.

But as you already know, the strongest evidence is almost always a contemporaneous source. <Voland> has supplied information from such a source in his article on <Sverdlovsk 1942>.

Apr-10-19
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  Tabanus: The Stanley games are now vs James Henry Turner.
Apr-10-19
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  jnpope: That is some great news <tabanus>! You will have to let me in on the secret to getting things fixed someday.
Apr-10-19
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  Tabanus: <jnpope> Just click the link "suggest your correction" (under players and events) or "submit a correction slip" (under games). <Annie> will fix it if she keeps on like now. If you justify the correction somehow, in the correction form or by kibitzing, the better.
Apr-10-19
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  jnpope: Staunton vs NN, 1841

Then I guess the question is: How do you get on her list for processing a correction... faster?

Apr-11-19
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  Tabanus: <jnpope> That's only 2 weeks, my oldest unprocessed ones now are 3 weeks :) Daniel used to spend 2-4 days on my correction slips.

Annie seems to be everything from one hour to one month.

Apr-11-19
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  jnpope: Glad to hear it's in the normal range, now I'm curious how Turner was processed before Staunton v Popert. I guess submissions are not processed in any particular order. I'd love to see a page of pending correction requests so I could check to see that a submission was still in the que and how far down the list it is to compute an estimated wait time.
Apr-11-19
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  Tabanus: It would certainly help if you became an editor. Why not send a mail to CG.com, and I'm sure Annie will let you in ;) You don't have to do anything if you don't want, but you can then edit Date and Site on games, plus other things (dob, dod, FIDE no., etc.) on players, plus edit bio texts.
Apr-11-19
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  Phony Benoni: Regarding Jaffe - Janowski (1917/18)

No, I have not found the 123-move thirteenth game. Life is too short. However, C Jaffe vs Janowski, 1918, given as game 17 of the game, appears to to not be the correct game. I have placed details on the game page.

Apr-11-19
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  Tabanus: Regarding Game Collection: Hoogovens Blitz 1999

There are seven missing games (see below table). Are any of these games available somewhere?

Apr-12-19  Paint My Dragon: <Tab>

I don't have a subscription to it (if such a thing exists), but TWIC 220 appears to have 91 games, and TWIC 221 has a further 1 game.

As 91 would be a full set, I presume the 92nd game is a correction.

Apr-12-19  Paint My Dragon: A link:

http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews...

Just click on the issue you require to see its contents.

Apr-12-19
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  Tabanus: <PMD> Thanks. But there are no games on those TWIC pages.

Staunton vs NN, 1841 has now been changed into Staunton vs W M Popert, 1841. Someone should upload the 53-mover too.

Apr-12-19  Paint My Dragon: <Tab> Yes, I realize that is just the contents page. I think TWIC works on a one-off subscription basis. You send the payment and Mark gives you a link to download all/any of TWIC's games. I wondered if someone here may already have access to it. Maybe not.
Apr-13-19
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  Tabanus: I just found https://web.archive.org/web/1999050..., with several links to click on. Under "Reports: English" there are reports by "Lost Boys" I believe. Under Blitz, there is a link to the games. But the seven games (of which four by Anand) are not there. They are probably gone forever.
Apr-14-19
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  Tabanus: There are now three more events up for the voting crew.

Few online sources. I could not find the 1999 time control and arbiter (supposedly it was Thomas van Beekum).

Apr-14-19
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  MissScarlett: How many constitute a quorum? At the current rate of attrition, there appear to be more events pending than extant voters.
Apr-14-19
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  Sargon: I noticed that in the bio for Vladimir Kramnik, there doesn't appear to be a link to the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) where he first seized the world crown.

Inasmuch as there are links to Kramnik's other WC matches in his bio—and of course there's a list of links to all of his WC matches near the top of his player page—maybe it would be a good idea to go ahead and add that URL. Just my 2 cents' worth, because I found myself looking for that link while I was reading Vlad's bio.

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