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Oct-18-19
 | | beatgiant: <jessicafischerqueen>
I think that is a 'K', not an 'R', by compairing with other contexts for that letter ("Klub..." and "Kubbel") and different letters used where an 'R' is expected ("Rigaer"). Then the name would be J. Koehler. |
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Oct-18-19
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<beatgiant> Thank you very much! |
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Oct-18-19
| | beatgiant: <jessicafischerqueen>
I also think the initial might be an 'I' instead of a 'J', because further down we see what looks like the same letter in the context of 'In der VIII Runde...' and 'In der IX Runde' where it clearly must be an 'I'. So the name, take three: "I. Koehler." |
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Oct-18-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Ok then. I appreciate this because the typeset on my computer screen is not very visible even when I expand the size. |
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Oct-19-19
| | beatgiant: <jessicafischerqueen>
Nichts zu danken - with all the work you do here, it's the least I could do. But that just about exhausts my knowledge of German that I picked up from old WWII movies. Kamerad! |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<beatgiant> lol wonderful! Much appreciated, believe me. My sister attended German classes in high school, and soon took to addressing me as "Herr Hunt" at every possible opportunity... |
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| Oct-19-19 | | whiteshark: Good detective work in decrypting the 'gothic script' by <beatgiant>. I had hoped to find some hints in the following editions, but even with the announcement of the final results of the club championship no full first name was mentioned. * Marginal note: In the news about the 1927 New York tournament the 'Rigasche Rundschau' still reported about <Niemzowitsch>.** * http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... (2nd column, last paragraph) ** e.g. http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Fabulous <whiteshark> thank you. The type is much clearer on your source, so now I can see how to fill out the event tag. Is the date of the event 1927? <Di Felice> does not list this event. [Event "Riga Chess Club championship"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1927.??.??"]
[White "Behting, Karl"]
[Black "Koehler, I"]
[Result "?"]
[ECO "?"]
[Source "Rigasche Rundschau, Nr.81 (09.04.1927)"] http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... ######################
On this pgn you posted previously, do you have a source I could put in before I submit the game? [Event "First Baltic Tournament - Major"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1899.04.??"]
[White "Behting, Karl"]
[Black "Betins, Robert"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "?"]
[Source "?"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Nd6 6. O-O
Be6 7. b3 g6 8. Re1 Bg7 9. c4 O-O 10. Nc3 dxc4 11. bxc4 Nd7
12. Qb3 Bxe5 13. dxe5 Nc5 14. Qc2 Nxd3 15. Qxd3 Nf5 16. Nd5
Kg7 17. g4 Nh6 18. Qf3 Ng8 19. Nf6 Qd4 20. Be3 Qxc4
21. Rac1 Qa4 22. Nxg8 Kxg8 23. h3 f5 24. exf6 Rf7 25. Qxb7
Rd8 26. Rxc7 Bd5 27. Rxf7 Bxb7 28. Rg7+ Kh8 29. Rxb7 Qa5
30. Rc1 h5 31. Rxa7 Qe5 32. Bd2 1-0 |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Now I finished transcribing the new game. If you see anything that should be changed, please let me know? [Event "Riga Chess Club championship"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1927.??.??"]
[White "Behting, Karl"]
[Black "Koehler, I"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "?"]
[Source "Rigasche Rundschau, Nr.81 (09.04.1927)"] http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 d5 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. Nf3 Be7 6. Qe2
Nxc3 7. bxc3 O-O 8. d4 Bg4 9. Qe3 f6 10. Be2 fxe5 11. dxe5
Nd7 12. Nd4 Bxe2 13. Ne6 Bc5 14. Qxe2 Qh4+ 15. g3 Qh3
16. Nxf8 Rxf8 17. Be3 Bxe3 18. Qxe3 Qg2 19. O-O-O Rf2
20. Qd3 c6 21. Kb1 Nxe5 22. Qe3 Rxc2 23. Qxa7 Rb2+ 24. Ka1
h6 25. h3 Nc4 26. Qa4 b5 27. Qa8+ Kh7 28. Rdf1 Qc2 29. Rf3
Nd2 30. Rff1 0-1 |
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| Oct-19-19 | | whiteshark: <On this pgn you posted previously, do you have a source I could put in before I submit the game? [Event "First Baltic Tournament - Major"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1899.04.??"]
[White "Behting, Karl"]
[Black "Betins, Robert"]
[Result "1-0"]
...>
Since the chess game was posted by <Jean Defuse>, he can perhaps serve with a source. But I hereby state my doubts: Robert* (as white) had won the game against his brother Karl at that time (April 14th, 1899). Source: Baltische Schachblätter Nr. 7, p.428, game #141 ; crosstable on p. 383 According to that the game has originally been published in the <Rig.[?] Rundschau> . * and also the tournament, as mentioned above (<The youngest Roberts Betins (1875-) won the Baltic Chess Champions Title in the first Baltic Chess Congress tournament in 1899, but he did not participate in tournaments later.>) |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark> hmm that is useful information, and reason enough for holding off on uploading that game. Is it possible that the pgn has the colors reversed? I will try to find it in the Latvian periodicals database. I'm pretty sure that the <Rig. Rundschau> is the <Rigasche Rundschau>. |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
On other news, it appears that this is a game between <Karl Behting's> brothers? Johan and Robert Behting:
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... |
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| Oct-19-19 | | whiteshark: Here's the game (my pgn):
[Event "First Baltic Chess Congress- Major"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1899.04.14"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Behting, Robert"]
[Black "Behting, Karl"]
[ECO "C80"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Source "Baltische Schachblätter #7, p.428-429"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0–0 Nxe4 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.Nxe5 Be7 8.d3 Nf6 9.Nc3 0–0 10.Bf4 Nd5 11.Nxd5 cxd5 12.d4 Bf5 13.g4 Bc8 14.f3 f6 15.Nd3 f5 16.gxf5 Bxf5 17.Be5 Bh3 18.Rf2 Bh4 19.Rd2 Qg5+ 20.Kh1 Qe3 21.f4 Bf5 22.Rg2 Be4 23.Qg4 Bxg2+ 24.Qxg2 Rf7 25.Qxd5 c6 26.Qg2 Re8 27.Rf1 Re6 28.Rf3 Qe4 29.Nc5 Qe1+ 30.Rf1 Rg6 31.Qf3 Qa5 32.a3 Qd8 33.c4 Qc8 34.Ne4 Qd7 35.d5 cxd5 36.cxd5 Bf6 37.Bxf6 gxf6 38.f5 Rh6 39.Qg3+ Rg7 40.Qb8+ Kf7 41.Nd6+ 1–0 = = =
Note: April 14th is Julian; April 26th would be Gregorian calendar As Amelung annotated, black was in time trouble early on and missed <24...Qe4-+>. = = =
<I'm pretty sure that the <Rig. Rundschau> is the <Rigasche Rundschau>.> Yeah, I guess so. However, I also found the spelling "Rigaer Rundschau" in the Baltischen Schachblättern, and was not sure if it was another newspaper. |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark> Beautiful! Except for this- we all need to do due diligence to check what the existing spelling of every player is at cg.com. We don't want to give <Stonehenge> a heart attack. Robert Betins And the one game he played is from the same event even: Robert Betins vs J Zabludowski, 1899 So before submitting, if we want to change the spelling of Robert Behting we should discuss that in the Bistro. Months ago I suggested changing <Karl Behting> to <Karis Betins>, but one of our members explained that when he was an active player, he used the German spelling. I would vote for changing Robert's name to <Behting>. In this 1895 game, for example, the name of both Johan and Robert is listed as <Behting>: http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... At any rate, this has to be decided before submitting. |
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Oct-19-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Not to mention, <Robert Betins> is a hybrid spelling. If we wanted to use the Latvian spelling, it should be <Roberts Betins>. |
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| Oct-20-19 | | whiteshark: <jessicafischerqueen> You are right that the spelling of the names of the three brothers - one way or the other - should be uniform. Great overview of you about it also in the BiBi! I was looking for a LATbase, but I ended up at the RUSbase, which has updated a lot during the last days and months at the historical tournaments. --> http://al20102007.narod.ru/nat_tour... There are also some games of the 1st Baltic Chess Congress of 1899 (9 games). --> http://al20102007.narod.ru/nat_tour... (There is a new, 3rd spelling of Behting's name ;)) It also says/confirms that K Behting vs K Rosenkrantz, 1899 was indeed played by Robert, as <Stonehenge> mentioned above. But I wanted to search through the Schachblätter for it. |
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Oct-20-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Excellent work <whiteshark>! Did you send in a correction slip for K Behting vs K Rosenkrantz, 1899 yet? Yes <rusbase> has some improvements, but not being able to download any of the USSR Team events is not one of them. All of the zip downloads are currently frozen on them. |
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| Oct-22-19 | | whiteshark: <Did you send in a correction slip for K Behting vs K Rosenkrantz, 1899 yet?> Yes, and I think a fairy godmother did it right away. ;) |
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Nov-23-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark>, <steamed colleagues> Part one Here is a world historical game given by <Karl Behting> in which he wins with the Latvian gambit. ##########################
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "??.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ilyin-Zhenevsky, Alexander"]
[Black "Behting, Karl"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Source "Saha Maksla Nr.27 (10.05.1938)"]
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Nxe5 Qf6 4. d4 d6 5. Nc4 fxe4 6. Nc3
Qg6 7. f3 exf3 8. Qxf3 Nc6 9. Bd3 Qg4 10. Qe3+ Be7 11. Nb5
Qxg2!<unpleasant surprise> 12. Rg1 Qxh2 13. c3 <Nxc7+ Kd8 14.Nxa8 Bh4+ 15.Kd1 Bf2 16.Qg5+ Ngf6 17.Qxg7 Qxg1+ and black wins> Kd8 14. Rxg7 h5 15. Qf2 Qxf2+ 16. Kxf2 a6 17. Nba3 Be6 18. Bg5 Kd7 19. Ne3 Rf8+ 20. Kg3 Kd8 21. Ng2 h4+ 22. Nxh4 Nf6 23. Bg6 Nh5+ 24. Bxh5 Rxh5
25. Bxe7+ Nxe7 26. Re1 Rxh4 27. Kxh4 Nf5+ 28. Kg5 Nxg7
29. Kg6 Rg8 30. Kh7 Bxa2 31. Rg1 Re8 32. Rxg7 Re2 33. c4
Rxb2 0-1
-Analysis by Karl Behting
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The problem is that although Behting himself published this game in <Saha Maksla Nr.27 (10.05.1938)>, he did not supply the event, site or date. I have been looking in Di Felice and online, but I have been unable to find the year this game was played. If we could find the year and publish the game, it could please those interested in the history of opening theory, or Latvian chess history. At present, our bio reports that Behting analzyed the Latvian Gambit, but we have no games in which he actually plays it. If anyone can help me find the year this game was played, it would be greatly appreciated. Behting's article is here- it is a spirited reply to an article by Albert Becker claiming that the Latvian Gambit is busted: http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... |
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Nov-23-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark>, <steamed colleagues> Part two Here is a translation of Behting's article in refutation of Albert Becker ##########################
'Latvian gambit' is not refuted!
- by Karlis Betins
In the columns of the "Wiener Schachzeitung" prof. Becker's article has a strong title- "Gambit's refutation", which proves the refutation of the "Latvian gambit". The rickshaw <meaning weak evidence> is based on the game Trifunovich - Apsenieks played at the Stockholm Olympics. Here it should be said that prof. Becker has been heavily mistaken in his analysis and has been helped by Apsenieks, who has played poorly in the game. By making a few weak moves, Apsenieks gave Trifunovich the chance to take his hand and win. It is significant that prof. Becker, when writing such an important article, has gone so naughtily with this whole thing, as evidenced by the fact that he did not even notice a whole series of weak black moves (9, 10, and 11). Let's look at this "historical" game now:
P Trifunovic vs F Apsenieks, 1937 ===
I add the following game to the illustration:
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "??.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ilyin-Zhenevsky, Alexander"]
[Black "Behting, Karl"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Source "Saha Maksla Nr.27 (10.05.1938)"]
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-... |
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| Nov-23-19 | | whiteshark: <JFQ - Behting's Latvian Gambit game> Both, Ultracorr2 (2008) and Corr.Database (2018) gave it as correspondence game played in <1921> but no further reference was made. |
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Nov-23-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark> I can't possibly thank you enough for that invaluable information! That is more than enough information now to publish the game. Did you read the article? <Behting> was really steamed eh. I wonder if <Becker> ever read the refutation to his article? |
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| Nov-23-19 | | whiteshark: Becker has analysed a.m. P Trifunovic vs F Apsenieks, 1937 in the <Wiener Schach-Zeitung> (Vienna chess magazine), No. 6 (12. Febr.1938) on page 68-70. http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... (starts at the bottom of the page) <I wonder if <Becker> ever read the refutation to his article?> All I know is that the <WSZ> stopped its publication six weeks (End of March 1938) later and Behting's article did not appear until early May of the year. Anyway, there will be no answer in there, if one exists at all... |
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Nov-28-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<whiteshark> Thanks so much for your diligent research on the back story to <Behting's> response to <Albert Becker's> Latvian Gambit analysis. I added your source and the game Ilyin-Zhenevsky vs K Behting, 1921 to the biography, so that readers will not miss out on this fascinating "Latvian Gambit" incident in Behting's story. I made a few other minor additions in the bio. I have not yet made in line citations, but I have listed the sources I am looking at so far. |
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Jun-18-20
| | jessicafischerqueen:
New Karl Behting game:
[Event "Riga Chess Community t"]
[Site "Riga RUE"]
[Date "1904.03.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "H von Ehlert"]
[Black "Karl Behting"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Source "rusbase"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. Bd3
Nbd7 7. O-O O-O 8. e4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Nxe4 10. Bxe4 Nf6
11. Bc2 Qc7 12. Qd3 h6 13. c5 Be7 14. Ne5 Rd8 15. Bxh6 Bxc5
16. Qg3 Bf8 17. Bg5 Be7 18. Qh4 c5 19. Ng4 Rxd4 20. Bxf6
Bxf6 21. Nxf6+ gxf6 22. Qxf6 Qd8 23. Qxd8+ Rxd8 24. Rfd1
Rd4 25. Rxd4 cxd4 26. f4 Bd7 27. Rd1 Rc8 28. Bb3 Bb5
29. Rxd4 Rc1+ 30. Kf2 Rf1+ 31. Kg3 Bc6 32. Rd1 Rxd1
33. Bxd1 Bd5 34. b3 Be4 35. Bf3 Bb1 36. a3 b6 37. Kf2 Kg7
38. g4 Bc2 39. b4 f6 40. h4 Kg6 41. Ke3 Bb3 42. Kd3 Ba2
43. Kc3 e5 44. Be4+ Kh6 45. g5+ Kh5 46. gxf6 exf4 47. Kd4
Kh6 48. Ke5 a5 49. bxa5 bxa5 50. Kxf4 Kh5 51. Ke5 1-0 |
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