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Feb-22-24
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  MissScarlett: I'll throw in James Thomas Heppell and Nelson Fedden for luck. OK, one for the pot: Arthur Curnock
Feb-22-24  stone free or die: gg - <missy>.

But there's always a reservation of a sorts - no cropping?

Feb-22-24
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  MissScarlett: Like this? Charles Lambert
Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: This is why middle initials are important:

George M Bliss

George N Bliss

I just disentangled the Pillsbury-Bliss games. Two different people, a father and a son.
Feb-23-24
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  MissScarlett: That is why middle initials can be important.
Feb-23-24
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  Tabanus: "Frédéric Gustave Jacob" would be the French version. The G could also be Gaston, Guy, Gilbert, Gabriel, Guillaume, Germain. The surname Jacob was apparently common in Strasbourg 100 years ago. Perhaps born around 1880? Or a pseudonym. Just another prodigy ;)
Feb-23-24  stone free or die: <<Missy> Like this? Charles Lambert>

Yes, except (what did you expect?) it's a bit of a close shave on the left, and even the right.

I'd suggest, for the next one, just leaving a small white margin all around. It will look more centered even if it's off a little too.

Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: I'm not sold 100% on Gustav (which is why I didn't add it to his bio name), but I strongly suspect that it is based upon <La Stratégie> thinking that his name was a pseudonym and that "Fr. G. Jacob" was Henle's abbreviated forenames and he was a rather famous physician, so it seems plausible that our Jacob's middle name was Gustav (again, I'm thinking that his parents named him after the famous physician, but that's a longshot hunch).

The reason why I don't believe he was playing under a pseudonym: he played for a decade under that name and photographed/identified as Jacob, so either he was playing a long game of hiding his true identity (à la James Mason), or Friedrich G. Jacob was indeed his true name.

I was hoping you could turn up a "Friedrich G(ustav) Ja(c/k)ob" born around 1880 in Straßburg who later moved to Mühlhausen. I'm not sure where the 1870 birth-year came from (so I removed it from the bio). 1880 makes a lot more sense for someone who was a student at the time of the Munich 1900 tournament.

Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: Stumbled across Steinitz vs J D Elwell, 1883 while doing some bio research for Steinitz - Mackenzie (1883), the BDE gives a James W. Elwell, but the <Sun> of 1883.02.17, p1, identified the three winners from that simul as A. E. Blackmar, J. D. Elwell, and D. G. Baird.
Feb-23-24
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  Tabanus: I'm not sold on Friedrich. Could be Franck/Frank or Francois. And perhaps he germanized his name.
Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: I arrived at Friedrich independently from <sachistu> who also came that the same conclusion. My conclusion is based on finding a number of German "Fr." abbreviated forenames that all resolved to Friedrich, so I concluded (wrongly?) that "Fr." was similar to English "Ed." or "Jas." which almost invariably resolve to Edward and James.

I'd like to know how <sachistu> arrived at Friedrich. I'm willing accept being wrong on this, but it seems more likely than not at this point.

Feb-23-24
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  Tabanus: But was he German? If he was from Strasbourg his name may very well have been French, such as Frederic or Francois.
Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: <Tabanus: But was he German? >

A very good question. I'm not that familiar with Alsace to know if the historic make-up of Strasbourg and Mulhouse contained a large number of Germanic peoples.

I was leaning towards him being of German decent as he was clearly more comfortable playing chess in German speaking cities (Munich, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, and Ostend) and he doesn't appear to show up in Paris or Monte Carlo during that decade. Again, not proof of any sort, just a hunch.

Shouldn't there be record of him winning his "master" status in some event to get invited to play in the master event at Munich 1900?

Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: <Wiener Schachzeitung>, v10 n8/9, August/September 1907, p250, gives:
"Friedr. Jacob"

So, Friedrich <confirmed>?
Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: I've got a hit for a "Friedrich Gottlob Jacob" in Haut Rhin (Alsace), but I don't have any dates via Anc...com
Feb-23-24
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  perfidious: If I wished to propose a tournament for nomination, as below, how would I set about it?

89th US Open (1988)

Feb-23-24
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  Tabanus: <perf> Phony B started on it, here: Game Collection: US Open 1988, Boston, but with only 63 games. You could clone this collection to your own and add the missing games, then add dates to them, xtab, etc.
Feb-23-24
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  perfidious: <Tab>, thanks again; I am still adding games to the 149 and expect to wind up with as many as 200.
Feb-23-24  stone free or die: <Phony> is looking down, smiling (thinking about how glad he is to have other things to do these days!)
Feb-23-24
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  jnpope: I think I've taken Friedrich G Jacob as far as I can with the tools available to me.
Feb-24-24
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  Tabanus: Also "Friedr. Jacob" in same WS page 272. Perhaps he died young.
Feb-24-24
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  jnpope: Friedrich G Jacob (kibitz #15)

Has him showing up until 1925? Also gives a street address.

Feb-24-24
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  Tabanus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3... (see map), it seems Mulhausen i. E. must mean "Mulhausen im Elsass" = Mulhouse, Alsace, France (after 1918).

https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!..., my no. 1 guess now.

Feb-24-24
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  mifralu: <jnpope: Searched for: Name: Friedrich G. Jacob>

Friedrich <Georg> Ja<k>ob

Geburtsdatum: 14 déc. 1875 (14 Dez 1875)
Geburtsort: Mülhausen, France (Frankreich)

Feb-24-24
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  Tabanus: https://blogger.googleusercontent.c... (click to enlarge). Who are the two persons in the background?
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