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| Jul-11-05 | | fgh: First! What kind of tournament is this one? |
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| Jul-11-05 | | farrooj: you can check this link if you want http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Montreal1666: It was also discussed in detail on <Susan Polgar>'s page: Zsuzsa Polgar |
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| Jul-11-05 | | refutor: the americans took a beating...although i'm pretty sure that none of polgar, onischuk, stripunsky or gulko were locals ;) |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Knight13: <The Russians won 6 to 2.> AGGHHHH! COME ON, AMERICA! GO USA! GO USA! GO USA? Come on, man, 6 to 2 is pityful! You people should be better! |
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| Jul-11-05 | | JoshuaJ8588: This is ridiculous. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Knight13: Is this tournament over or is it still goin' on? <On Sunday, July 24th, 2005, the world will see a chess match that has not been done in 60 years. This is the first distance chess match to be held between the old Soviet Union, (Russia) and the USA since the end of WWII and the start of the cold war.> What the heck does this mean? Is the match gonna be on TV or something? I thought the match will be over by then. What's that mean? |
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| Jul-11-05 | | farrooj: the tournament is officially over, and that is an old link <t was being broadcast in 30 major US markets on broadcast Television. It was being sent via satellite to 40 countires world wide The last time such an event of this took place was 60 years ago> http://www.ruschess.com/ |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Kangaroo: The Russia vs USA, St Petersburg vs New York, or Russians without Zsutsa Polgar versus Russians with her - is over. In my view, this can barely look like the real match between the national teams. Just an event. Don't take it seriously. If the national teams meet at the chess olympiad, then it will be a reason to judge on which of them plays better. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Montreal1666: <Knight13:> <farrooj:> there is some confusion in whether it has already been on TV or it will be on the 24th.
You have to wait for <Susan Polgar> to answer that. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | farrooj: oh ok. Did you ask her already? |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Montreal1666: Yes, I posted the question on her page. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | cuendillar: <Kngiht13> The result wasn't exactly unexpected, except for Vitiugovs double wins. The Russians did have poor attendance though (national seeds 11, 14, 18 and 95) compared to the Americans' (4, 9, 10 and 15) From similiar seeding, I doubt that the Americans would have gotten more than a single draw. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Greginctw: are any of the USA players real americans? |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Kangaroo: <<Greginctw>: are any of the USA players real americans?> No, none of them is! |
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Jul-11-05
 | | Sneaky: They are all "real Americans." None of them were born on US soil, if that's what you mean. |
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Jul-11-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <Kangaroo/Greg> No, they are mostly Republicans. But I'm not sure what you mean by "real", None of them are Native Americans, in fact, I don't think that a Native American has ever earned a FIDE title. If you mean "Made in the USA", or at least "Born in the USA", that's another matter, but country of origin is not relevant. Every chess master in American history is descended from an immigrant. We are a nation of immigrants. On the other hand, if you are talking about players who were living in the USA even way back in the 20th century, then you make a relevant point. Would you consider Hikaru Nakamura and Yasser Seirawan to be "unreal" Americans? |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Kangaroo: To <Eric Schiller>: I am a US citizen, not a native American (born in Russia). The questions about who is and who is not a real American usually are translated into the place of birth, not citizenship. That was the meaning of my post. As to the party membership / affiliation, the recent publication by Yashiko Sagamori resembles the old saying (William Shakespeare, 'Romeo and Juliet', the last phrase by Mercuzio) about the "plug on the both homes" - both Democrats and Republicans are politicians only - elected by the people and for the people - and doing not too much for the electorat. Sorry - I did not mean to attack your political views. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Montreal1666: <Eric Schiller:> You are right in general. However, I would add that Nakamura moved to the US when he was 2 or 3 years old. So he learned all of his chess in the US and I would consider him a "Full Amercan" player.
But if someone learned chess in another country, or even became a grandmaster before moving to US, he/she sould be distinquished from Nakamura. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | SADDAM: As always i hear real rotten conversation here, who is the real american blah blah blah... You want " REAL" Americans to play, ok then the score will be 10-0 maybe 9-1. The point is that many strong players came over from former USSR and they have raised the level of Chess here in the US. They have become trainers of american young talent and have shaped many chess education programs. The US olympic team came in 4th at Calvia and even though nothing has been written in the press about it(nothing new here) I consider it a great achievment, and the former emigres-- new americans are to be thanked for a great performance. So the point is that instead of complaining how they dominate the US chess scene, you should thank them for kicking your ass and teaching you the game!
P.S. The only strong real american chess player HATES America and praised the 911 attacks, i think we all know who he is and do not want any more "real" americans like him. Cya |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Pawsome: <Greginctw> <Hopefully you dont find what I am saying in violation of the "no racism" guideline, for I am not trying to be racist, just honest> Did you read what you wrote? Did you think about it before you wrote it? Your "honest" views show that you are not only racist but ignorant, obtuse and offensive. |
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Jul-11-05
| | Eric Schiller: <'roo> Plague, not plug, yes? Anyway, I was just making a cheap shot, I don't belong to either party, though I find only one of them totally repulsive. The point is that "real American" is an ugly concept tnat no real American would use. My own definition would be: An American citizen who deeply believes in the principles developed by our nation's founders. Of course, there are other tests. But they don't always work. For example, it was widely noted that when Alex Yermolinsky arrived in this country he had a much deeper knowledge of baseball that at least one American-born GM. I think that for chess, a better question is whether a player was American-trained or not. In the long run, what matters is whether America can produce top players, regardless of where they were born, or conceived, or whatever. I think that many American-trained players tend to give up the game and go on to other pursuits. If the rewards in professional chess were greater, they might have continued to play. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | SADDAM: mr eric shiller , do u want to test all immigrant and americans alike weather they believe in the ideals you refer to. |
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Jul-11-05
| | Eric Schiller: <saddam> no, as I said, I consider the whole concept ridiculous. AS far as eligibility to represent the United States in sporting events, I think citizenship or a green card is enough, no other tests apply. |
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| Jul-11-05 | | Knight13: The player with the best result in the American team is Alexander Onischuk! He didn't lose a game! (Nor won a game). |
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