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The 33rd European Chess Club Cup was a 7-round Swiss system team tournament held in the Avantgarde Hotel, Göynük, Antalya Province, Turkey, 8-14 October 2017. Time control: 90 minutes for 40 moves, then 30 more minutes till the end of the game, with a 30-second increment per move from move 1. Standings were determined by match points (2-1-0). Each match was played on six boards, and each team could have two reserve players. There were 36 teams and 255 players. Alkaloid (Macedonia) were the defending champions, while Globus (Russia) were the top seeds. Tournament director: Ozgur Solakoglu. Chief arbiter: Tugan Unal. Globus won with a score of 12/14 (+5 =2 -0), one point ahead of Alkaloid, Odlar Yurdu (Azerbaijan) and AVE Nový Bor (Czech Republic). Odlar Yurdu led by a point before the last round, but lost 2.5-3.5 in their final match against Nový Bor. Official site: http://euroclubcup2017.tsf.org.tr/
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Oct-12-17
 | | AylerKupp: <<rokko> What makes the discussion even less relevant is that a 9/9 result for MVL would make him win the Grand Prix and qualify from the Grand Prix> You are so right, thanks. I was so focused on seeing how MVL might qualify for the Candidates by rating that I failed to see the forest from the trees. The sound you hear is my head banging against the wall. :-( |
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Oct-12-17
| | AylerKupp: <<Socrates> I just want to learn whether MVL will become a participant or not.> The answer is not simple because it depends on how <both> MVL and Radjabov finish. For example, if MVL finishes clear first and Radjabov finishes clear second, they will both tie for first in the Grand Prix and both will go to the Candidates. But if Radjabov finishes clear second and MVL finishes clear third, Radjabov and Mamedyarov will finish 1-2 and both will go to the Candidates. And there are multiple possibilities depending on whether they tie for a particular place. The best I can do is calculate the players' most probable final rankings based on their Oct-2017 ratings, the average rating of <all> their opponents (which is not precise since their actual opponents are not yet known), the FIDE P(Win or Draw) table, and their total points so far. The results are encouraging for MVL, his most likely finish in Palma de Majorca is a first place tie with Aronian, both with a 5.5/9 score which will give him 366.4 total Grand Prix points. Radjabov's most likely finish in Palma de Majorca is a tie for 7-9 with Li Chao and Pentala Harikirshna, each with a 4.5/9 score which will give Radjabov 273.1 total Grand Prix points. So the most likely top 2 finishers in the Grand Prix are MVL and Mamedyarov (with 340.0 Grand Prix points). Of course, this is all based on probabilities, and with so few games played their actual finishing order and the number of Grand Prix points they will each earn is pretty much a guess. It will depend not on relative ratings but on which players are in form and which players are not. Hardly a surprise. |
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| Oct-12-17 | | BOSTER: Is this has any chess logic to <put> Aronian and Liren in the Palma D tour when they are already in Cadidates? |
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Oct-12-17
| | AylerKupp: <<BOSTER> Is this has any chess logic to <put> Aronian and Liren in the Palma D tour when they are already in Candidates?> Players were selected and invited for the Grand Prix on a prioritized basis until 24 players accepted their invitation. The invitations were sent, the players accepted, and the players were allocated to 3 of the 4 Grand Prix tournaments a long time ago, well before Aronian and Ding Liren qualified for the Candidates Tournament as a result of reaching the finals of the World Cup. Given their Candidates qualification, whether Aronian and Ding Liren should bother to participate in the Palma de Majorca Grand Prix is a good question, but remember that they are also playing for prize money, 20,000 euros for first place in <each> tournament, down to 2,500 euros for last place. So that might be a good enough motivation for just "showing up". |
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Oct-12-17
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The goal of the event is not only to choose the candidates. Sponsors also want to see exciting competition among top players. And there is prize money like any other event.Besides Aronian and Ding, also Karjakin (seeded to the Candidates) and Carlsen (seeded to the championship final) were invited, but declined. Also there are players like Inarkiev and Hammer who have no hope of making it to the Candidates. |
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| Oct-12-17 | | 17.Bxg7: Hello,
Given that this is the forum for the European Club Cup (I was confused because I read discussion about other topics), I have a couple of questions: How much of "Club Spirit" exists between these participants? Do they actually belong to a chess club (as a little chess comunity in which they have some affinity or can spend some time together? Do these clubs "Globus, Odlar Yurdu, Alkaloid" actually exist? Or these are simply sponsors who assemble a team of "chess mercenaries" just for the occasion? I ask this, because I see several top players in these events and seems unlikely they actually work or spend their time in "chess clubs". |
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| Oct-12-17 | | PhilFeeley: <17.Bxg7> Perhaps they visit once a year. Perhaps they're hired to represent the club in these competitions. Perhaps they do play there once in a while. Perhaps somebody at this competition should ask them. |
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| Oct-13-17 | | PhilFeeley: Globus should have won at least one of their games, but they were all draws. Are they starting to fade? Losing their enthusiasm for this event? Their 6th round pairing should be even more difficult. |
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| Oct-13-17 | | PhilFeeley: More draws on the top boards today. |
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| Oct-13-17 | | PhilFeeley: I take that back. Not looking good for white on board 6. |
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| Oct-13-17 | | Sokrates: Thanks for the response, <AK>. Appreciated! |
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| Oct-13-17 | | ajile: Seems to be an increase in Black openings featuring the Pirc-Robatsch-Modern complexes. With decent results for Black which is interesting. Alternatively other secondary favorites (mine) like Benoni-Dutch and QID seem to be less popular and less effective. : / |
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| Oct-13-17 | | BOSTER: < Sokrates>:<whether MVL will become a participant or not>.
If we look at a GP series of four chess tour as a game, I'd say that MVL and Radjabov have a good pos, because they are still in the game. |
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| Oct-13-17 | | nok: even Naka has a chance, provided Carlsen doesn't play and his rivals bomb. |
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| Oct-14-17 | | PhilFeeley: Final round: Kramnik gets Inarkiev. Globus will have a hard time winning this overall, especially if Odlar Yurdu does well against AVE Nový Bor. If Globus wins and Odlar Yurdu loses, then Globus wins the event. But if Odlar Yurdu ties, then they tie Globus for the overall ranking. I don't know who wins then. |
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| Oct-14-17 | | PhilFeeley: BTW, they haven't met frequently, but still:
<Classical games: Vladimir Kramnik beat Ernesto Inarkiev 3 to 0.
Including rapid/exhibition games: Vladimir Kramnik beat Ernesto Inarkiev 4 to 0, with 1 draw.
Only rapid/exhibition games: Vladimir Kramnik beat Ernesto Inarkiev 1 to 0, with 1 draw.> |
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| Oct-14-17 | | PhilFeeley: Drawish opening, the English. Maybe Kramnik is tired of the whole thing. |
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| Oct-14-17 | | Sokrates: Thanks, <BOSTER>. I'd say a candidate without MVL wouldn't be right. He is one of the very VERY few who could muster a tough challenge for the Norwegian, perhaps even THE one with the best prospects. In comparison with his competitors I am not sure he is the best - Aronian, Caruana, So, Mamedyarov etc. are equally strong on a good day, but relatively to Carlsen, I think he may be the fittest. Gentlemen, what is your opinion? |
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| Oct-14-17 | | Schwartz: Aronian or Caruana looks like a fun match. MVL, Kramnik, Ivanchuk also could be good matches. |
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| Oct-14-17 | | jphamlore: Where did Karjakin go wrong as Black defending a Nimzo-Indian versus Grachev? Is he already in big trouble once the rooks get exchanged off and he's left with bishop and knight versus the two bishops? |
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| Oct-15-17 | | whiteshark: <jphamlore> check COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME
B Grachev vs Karjakin, 2017 ;) |
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| Oct-15-17 | | LameJokes55: <Sokrates:Gentlemen, what is your opinion?> I agree with you about MVL. He is a player with all-round capabilities. He has risen and stayed into top 5. He is one of those, who can give Carlsen a run for his money. The trouble is, his qualification is not certain for the candidates. Among Shak, Grischuk, MVL and Radjabov; only two can qualify. The first three are my favorite players. I don't mind any two of them getting through. However, no one would begrudge Radjabov his place if gets through on merit. Candidates is one hell of a tough tournament. I hope, whoever gets through makes World Championship a riveting and captivating spectacle. |
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| Oct-15-17 | | sonia91: Podium:
1. Globus, RUS
2. Alkaloid, MKD (2016 champions)
3. Odlar Yurdu, AZE |
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Oct-15-17
 | | HeMateMe: I love this photo
<https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ywbdHsKeJNk/...> |
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| Oct-18-17 | | Sokrates: Thanks, <sonia91> for the result. Which, I am sorry to say, cannot ignite my enthusiasm, since neither of these club names form an identity in my mind. My bad but am I the only one who cannot get exited by club chess tournaments? |
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