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| Jun-07-25 | | fabelhaft: Maybe the Carlsen era ended here, following the 20 year intervals with Karpov in 1985, Kasparov in 2005 and now Carlsen in 2025. It could be just me, but when Carlsen saw that he would be mated the next move in the Armageddon game, he didn’t resign, but looked at it for a few seconds and then played his last move instead of resigning, as if to have a proper end to it all. I don’t think Carlsen will play any more tournaments in classical chess. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | perfidious: <Olavi>, another set from Korchnoi's oeuvre:
USSR Championship (1965), in which he booked a result of +6 -7 =6 after winning the previous title with ease. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | Atterdag: <fabelhaft: ... I don’t think Carlsen will play any more tournaments in classical chess.> I didn't witness that but I tend to follow your conclusion, given his activities since his resignation from the title. It's a pity that the strongest player in the world has decided to only play quick formats and the freestyle circus, but it is, of course, both understandable and in his own good right to do so. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | chancho: He left the championship on his own terms.
He has won everything in sight.
No better way to exit the stage. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | Sally Simpson: "He has won everything in sight. "
He has never won an Olympiad Gold Medal, every other competitor in this event has at least one. Gukesh has a board one Gold medal, the best board one medal Carlsen has (so far) is Bronze. I am now off to get 'Nitpicker Of The Year' tattooed on my ass. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | MarcusBierce: <areknames: I agree with all the recent comments, in particular with <Atterdag> when he writes that Carlsen and Nakamura disrespect their history. They want to retire? Let them. Chess without classical time controls isn't chess.
And this was such a great tournament, so many exciting games.> I think it’s due to the merged time controls of no-increment 2 hours to start the game, and the 10 sec increment per move after, which a pretty fast rapid sliding into blitz. This might be the way forward for classical chess. |
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Jun-07-25
| | MarcusBierce: Kasparov retired from Classical chess competition at 42, some say due to not only age, but the real effect chess computers were having on closing the gap between him and the rest. Looks like the popularity and legitimacy of faster time controls, along with freestyle, is the one of the main reasons for Carlsen’s potential earlier retirement from classical chess. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | keypusher: Gukesh had no "days off" -- eight decisive games, and the two draws went over 70 moves each. Carlsen had a couple of "days off" -- Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2025 and Wei Yi vs Carlsen, 2025 There's a big difference between mid-30s and 19. |
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| Jun-07-25 | | Chessinfinite: Exciting chess and a great tournament. Carlsen wins another top event to cement his tournament legacy..ahead of top players Caruana and Nakamura and with his only loss to Gukesh, who played some exciting chess. Overall a good event. |
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Jun-07-25
 | | Check It Out: If Gukesh had properly drawn Caruana and then likely got the Armageddon half point as black he'd have 16 points and tied Carlsen. What would have been the tiebreaker in effect? |
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| Jun-07-25 | | stone free or die: <CIO - What would have been the tiebreaker in effect?> It's on the tournament website, under the rules. From memory, I believe direct encounters would be the first tiebreaker, and thus Gukesh would be the tournament winner under your scenario. . |
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| Jun-07-25 | | stone free or die: Sorry, that's for non-first-place ties.
Here's the rules for first-place ties:
<If two players share the first place, there will be a Play-off to decide the winner. This Play-off consists of a two-game blitz match with the time control of 3 min. + 2 sec. increment per move.If this match ends in a tie, a further match will be played. If this match ends in a tie, there will be an Armageddon game where White has 10 minutes and Black, with draw odds, has 7 minutes both with an increment of 1 second per move, starting from move 41. If more than two players share first place, there will be a double round-robin tournament with the time control of 3 min. + 2 sec. increment per move.> https://norwaychess.no/en/regulatio...
(Also, it was under regulations, and not rules) |
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| Jun-07-25 | | stone free or die: For lower placed tiebreaks:
<In case of a tie between players in the double round-robin tournament, the classical games results will be used to resolve the tie according to the following:1. Direct Encounter,
2. Sonneborn-Berger,
3. Koya System,
4. Extended Koya System (the number of points achieved against all participants who have scored at least 55% of the maximum possible tournament score), 5. Drawing of lots.
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| Jun-07-25 | | stone free or die: It's a moot discussion, as there were no ties in <Norway (2025)>. But since I'm admittedly oft inclined to the pedantic - here's FIDE's definition of <Koya tb> (which isn't as well known as S-B): <6. Koya System for Round-Robin Tournaments6.1 This is the number of points achieved against all opponents who have achieved 50% or more (including wins by forfeit). 6.2 The Koya System Extended
The Koya system may be extended, step by step, to include score groups with less than 50% (including wins by forfeit), or reduced, step by step, to exclude players who scored 50% (including wins by forfeit) and then higher scores.> https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/T.... |
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Jun-07-25
| | Check It Out: Thanks, <sfod>, that clarifies what I really wanted to know, which was if Gukesh had a chance to win it all if he had correctly drawn Caruana, and he did, making his blunder and loss all the more painful. Chess is brutal. |
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Jun-07-25
| | Sally Simpson: <Hi Check It Out> Gukesh has profited in the past from an unexpected gaffe. He will know you have to give one back every now and then. Blunders makes the world go round. |
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Jun-07-25
| | Check It Out: <Sally: Blunders makes the world go round. > Don't I know it. I've crafted my entire game around them. |
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Jun-07-25
| | Sally Simpson: <Check it Out> Without them I'd be out of a blog job. I'd have to resort to showing endings and the dark art of distant opposition. I like blundering, it's addictive and I'm pretty sure I would soon get bored winning every game. That would be awful. |
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Jun-09-25
| | MarcusBierce: <stone free or die: <CIO - What would have been the tiebreaker in effect?>
It's on the tournament website, under the rules. From memory, I believe direct encounters would be the first tiebreaker, and thus Gukesh would be the tournament winner under your scenario.> They split their head to head. |
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Jun-11-25
| | Atterdag: Fun fact:
Norway Chess 2018: 32 pages of contributions (on my PC). Norway Chess 2026: 9 pages. |
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Jun-11-25
| | perfidious: <Geoff....I am now off to get 'Nitpicker Of The Year' tattooed on my ass.> The best result you can hope to achieve is a silver medal; there is someone on this site who has, as we say, a mortal lock on gold. |
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| Jun-12-25 | | fabelhaft: <Norway Chess 2018: 32 pages of contributions (on my PC). Norway Chess 2026: 9 pages>
And 2015: 78 pages. |
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Jun-12-25
| | perfidious: As I posted ten years ago:
<....The worst performance the current champion has had in an age, and the naysayers come out in full force.> Events are either 'boring' when Carlsen wins, or all his detractors emerge from their caves to flay his every move when he does not. Norway Chess (2015) |
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Jun-12-25
 | | HeMateMe: I think MC defeated a very strong field here. |
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Jun-12-25
| | MarcusBierce: <Check It Out: If Gukesh had properly drawn Caruana and then likely got the Armageddon half point as black he'd have 16 points and tied Carlsen. What would have been the tiebreaker in effect?> In that case, Carlsen would have played his Armageddon differently as well. |
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