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🏆 Hainan Danzhou GM (2014) Chess Event Description
The 5th Hainan Danzhou GM tournament was played in Danzhou, China 25 June - 4 July 2014. Time controls: 90 minutes for the first 40 moves, 30 extra minutes for the remaining moves, with a 30-second increment per move from move one. Tournament director: ... [more]

Player: Ding Liren

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ding Liren vs Zhao Jun 1-0372014Hainan Danzhou GME90 King's Indian
2. Ding Liren vs Naiditsch  ½-½942014Hainan Danzhou GMD50 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. Bu Xiangzhi vs Ding Liren  ½-½602014Hainan Danzhou GME63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
4. Ding Liren vs Wei Yi  ½-½352014Hainan Danzhou GMD40 Queen's Gambit Declined, Semi-Tarrasch
5. Ding Liren vs Zhou Weiqi  1-0362014Hainan Danzhou GME10 Queen's Pawn Game
6. Ponomariov vs Ding Liren  ½-½262014Hainan Danzhou GME70 King's Indian
7. Yu Yangyi vs Ding Liren 0-11192014Hainan Danzhou GMB18 Caro-Kann, Classical
8. Xiu Deshun vs Ding Liren 0-1592014Hainan Danzhou GMD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
9. Ding Liren vs Qun Ma  ½-½512014Hainan Danzhou GMD12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
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Jun-30-14  blade2012: my two cents, in italian, but gugol translate helps

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  Troller: Was this tournament rated? Going by Chess-Results it seems not.
Jul-04-14  SimonWebbsTiger: @<Troller>

The tourney isn't finished yet. I would be mightily surprised if it isn't rated!

BTW, there is another chessbase report on the following link

Jul-04-14  paavoh: @SWT: Not over with 9 rounds for 10 players? The Chessbase site says one round to go at 8 rounds.

Do not take this correction too seriously, just filling in my daily kibitzing requirements :-)

Jul-04-14  capablancakarpov: According to Chess Results, Ding Liren won on tiebreaks!

Is live rating is a live best of 2737.

Jul-04-14  csmath: What a lousy tournament for Wei Yi.
Jul-04-14  jphamlore: This is totally predictable what happened and will continue to happen to Wei Yi until he gets proper training on the world class level like Carlsen paid for, with Carlsen working with both Kasparov and Nielsen. What an absolute joke opening 1. e4 as White and not even being to handle a Ruy Lopez. Really?

Don't forget with each passing year what used to be extraordinary youth playing well becomes ordinary compared to other players who are catching up. Soon Wei Yi will have to concern himself more with exams to go to university, and then it will be over for him to ever compete for a World Championship, forever.

Jul-04-14  Refused: <csmath: What a lousy tournament for Wei Yi.>

Yep. Happens. He looked quite solid until he finished with his losses in the closing rounds.

My guess is, it's time for him to opt for different openings. The Giucco is a fine opening on junior levels, but now it's time to grow up.

Jul-04-14  dumbgai: Nobody gets to the top without hitting some bumps in the road. Even the best will have bad tournaments from time to time. Wei Yi is still a kid and will have many opportunities to do better.
Jul-04-14  parisattack: Congratulations to Ding Liren. I hope this starts his next significant rise.
Jul-04-14  Shams: <parisattack> I'd like to see that too, but I wish he'd go back to playing the French. I don't think he has trotted it out since this loss:

Negi vs Ding Liren, 2012

Jul-04-14  parisattack: Hi, <Shams> - Yes, me too. He seems to be doing OK with the C-K but I don't think it brings out the special qualities in his play I've admired for several years.

Have you settled on a repertoire? I am going on 48 years in chess and still can't decide! I have re-warmed considerably to the French. Check out Nepo's 3. ...a5 against the Tarrasch if you have not already.

Happy 4th to you!

Jul-04-14  Shams: <parisattack> I saw a couple of the games you flagged. Very interesting, but I think I need a much better feel for the 3...Be7 lines before I can play it. The Tarrasch is a tough nut to crack.
Jul-05-14  parisattack: <Shams> Concur on the Tarrasch. The 3. ...Be7 line - I recall a fellow in the club showing us that line early 70s - we thought he was nuts. (I think there's a game with it in one of the very early Informants.)
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  perfidious: There is more to chess than opening play, especially at top level, than a perusal of <jphamlore>'s kibitzes would suggest, as he would quickly learn if he were somehow transformed into a competent player.
Jul-06-14  jphamlore: Ding Liren shows the obstacles Chinese players have to break through to the very top. He was given two chances to break out internationally, the invite to the 2011 World Cup and the 2013 Alekhine Memorial. He crashed and burned in both. And so he's basically done at age 21 internationally even though he's arguably China's best player, with an excellent one-on-one record versus the guy considered to be China's #1, Wang Hao.

Here's the vicious cycle Wang Hao is going to inflict on Chinese chess for about a decade: If Wang Hao is great, he'll get the one invite allocated to a Chinese player. Because the major events aren't inviting two Chinese. And if Wang Hao isn't great, then the major events will think no Chinese is worthy of an invite.

Jul-07-14  Shams: <jphamlore> If that is the case, why is it a problem unique to Chinese players?
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  HeMateMe: <And so he's basically done at age 21 internationally even though he's arguably China's best player,>

If there aren't enough world class events in China for a young player to play against the top 30 players, maybe he should move to Europe, where these people show up in tournaments other than the super GM events? That is, if China allows their players to seek temporary work visas in Europe or dual citizenship. I don't know their stance on that.

If they aren't put under house arrest for asking to live and play in Europe for a year, isn't this a possible solution to the problem--lots of good players, but not enough venues for them?

Jul-07-14  zoren: <Shams>

It really isn't a problem unique to Chinese players as far as I know in chess history. For example during the 80's 90's, in the British top players experienced similar difficulty because they were always at best #2 to Nigel Short. In fact, they just moved on to a new career or quit. (Hodgson, Sadler) I'm sure this is not the only instance.

<jphamlore> <HeMateMe>

I don't really see it as a problem with the system though really, if you're more qualified, then you get to play more frequently in closed tournaments. Additionally, making a move to play in open tournaments when a player is already in the chess elite may not be wise - it is frequent that a top player eventually gets nicked by a computer generated novelty by someone 2300-2400 range and you can lose a lot of ELO.

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  HeMateMe: It seems that if the Chinese men are rated 2650, they will just swap points among themselves, unless they break the circle and the more ambitious ones go to live in Europe, where tournament invitations are more frequent. There, they can move up by beating higher rated opponents, and learning along the way. If they can't beat those players, then they had no reason to leave China.
Jul-08-14  ex0duz: All they need to do is host more of these elite events themselves. Like the one where Carlsen had his best results ever. IIRC, Pearl Spring Tournament or something?

That way they can invite 2, 3 or however many players that they want. Pretty sure they can afford it if they really wanted to since the government sponsors and trains their players AFAIK.

I'm curious as to why there were only 2 foreign players, and even though they are elite players, why Ponomariov and Naiditsch in particular..

Jul-08-14  jphamlore: The Chinese know full well how to turn 12-year olds into professional board games players and eventually champions. The problem is their knowledge of how to train Go players does not seem to be applied to (international) chess. It might take another generation at least for a Chinese chess player to become a true contender for the World Chess Championship.

I think Go has a much stronger tradition of the need for formal schools and for some sort of mentoring.

"Eight of 20 of you correctly named Yang Yi 6P as Gu Li’s key teacher. He is Director of Chongqing Qiyuan and has trained many talented go players since 1979, receiving numerous national and regional awards for his contributions to go. In 1995, he recommended Gu Li’s induction into the Chinese National Youth Team. Two years later, Yang reserved a spot for Gu Li (age 14 at the time) on the Chongqing Go Team despite objections from many people."

That's why I have said for a while that if the Chinese were serious about international chess, they would hire someone on the order of Kasparov to train Wei Yi. And then Wei Yi might not make it to the very top but he would go on to train China's next generation of chess players.

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  eternaloptimist: I must say Ding is 1 of the most solid chess players in the world & he proved it by getting through the tourney unscathed. He also tied for 1st place to boot!
Jul-12-14  1d410: Bu Xiangzhi is the future of Chinese chess
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  perfidious: That future of Chinese chess will arrive, only long after Ding has established himself as the stronger player.
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