Jan-24-06 | | Whitehat1963: Why is this over? Is the gamescore correct? |
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May-22-07 | | Hot Logic: It's over because black made a dodgy piece sac, White's pieces are so well co-ordinated that Black cannot mate or win material after the sac, which leaves him a knight down. White controls all the squares and has all the threats in the final position. |
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May-22-07 | | Hot Logic: In fact, after Qxd3 Black is lost. |
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Dec-31-10
 | | markbstephenson: Maybe Winawer didn't care to face 30.QxN e5xf4 31.Qxf4 Rg6 32. Rg1 Ne5 33.Qe3 Nxc4 34.bxc4 Bxg2+ 35. Rb2xg2 Bb6 36.Qe1 Bxg1 37.Qxg1 Rxg2 38. Qxg2 Rf1 mate or 30.hxN Rh6+ 31.Kg1 Bxg2 32.Rxg2 Bb6+ 33. Nxb6 Qxb6+ 34.Rf2 Ng5 35. Rf1 Nh3+ 36.Kg2 Nxf2 36.Rxf2 Rh2+ 37.Kxh2 Qxf2+ 38.Kh3 e5xf5 39.Bxd6 f5xg3 40.Bxf8 Qh2+ 41.Kg4 h5+ 41.Kg4 g2 and queens shortly? |
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Apr-09-16 | | zanzibar: <TIME LIMIT IN TOURNEYS.
THE Editor of " Land and Water," referring to this subject generally, and
more particularly to the game lost by Winawer at Vienna, against Steinitz,
writes as follows :—
Winawer lost his game to Steinitz by time. We are informed that it was an exceedingly
narrow shave, so much so, that the point of a penknife had to be employed to see if the finger of
Winawer's clock had really gone past the hour on the thirtieth move. This kind of thing is
decidedly unsatisfactory. It appears that Steinitz had at this time the superior game, but
that is a fact altogether beside the mark, as advantages often end only in a draw, a ad also
frequently go over to the other side, to say which is indeed mere commonplace. Several other
games have been lost by time in this tourney, we mean directly lo6t, while quite a number of
games have been lost through players finding themselves at critical stages with insufficient time.
Thus considerations of merit and skill are altogether eliminated, for these stages may arrive
quite fortuitously. Another evil result of the time limit slavery is, that players having
positions admitting of deep and splendid combinations, are obliged, as often as not, to eschew
them, for want of time to calculate and unravel. All this is very melancholy. The very base
of such a system must be rotten. If players knew that at the time of their clook or glass
reaching its limit, five or ten minutes grace would be allowed them, a great part of the evil would
be eradicated, and that, whether or not the time of grace were debited to them.> CPC v6 (14 Jun 1882) p286/299 |
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Apr-09-16
 | | Sally Simpson: "If players knew that at the time of their clook or glass reaching its limit, five or ten minutes grace would be allowed them, a great part of the evil would be eradicated..." What this lad is calling out for is the Fisher hourglass and sand increment. |
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Apr-11-16 | | zanzibar: The plot thickens:
<OL v3 N33 (Sep 1883) G-182 p276/293> on p277:
<Mit diesem knapp vor der Mittagspause (2 Uhr) ausgeführten
Opferzuge überschritt Herr Winawer das vorgeschriebene Zeitmass von 2 X 15 = 30 Zügen für zwei Stunden, und wurde die Partie daher gesetzmässig Herrn Steinitz als gewonnen zuerkannt.Nach der Hand kam es zwischen beiden Meistern zu einem kleinen Disput bezüglich der Correctheit des Springeropfers. Steinitz machte sich anheischig, „zehn gegen eins" zu setzen, dass er auch ohne die Zeitüberschreitung des Gegners gewonnen hätte. Winawer ging auf die Wette ein und das Probespiel nahm folgenden Verlauf: 29...Nxg3+ 30.hxg3 Bxg2+ 31.Rxg2 Rh6+ 32.Kg1 exf4 33.Nxc7
( 33.gxf4 )
33...Qa7+ 34.Ne3 fxe3
( 34...Ng5 )
35.Nb5
( 35.Re2 )
35...Qe7
( 35...Qa8 )
36.Rf1 Qe6 37.g4 Re8 38.Nd4 Ng5 39.Rf5 Qe4 40.Qc4+
( 40.Qxe4 Nxe4 41.Rxa5 )
40...Kh8 41.Rxg5 e2 42.Nxe2 Qe3+ 43.Rf2 Qxg5 44.Bc1
und Weiss gewann nach einem längeren Endspiel, das nicht mehr
aufgezeichnet wurde, auch die Wette. Sachlich ist dieser Ausgang
übrigens nicht entscheidend, wenigstens hielt Herr Winawer seine
Behauptung, dass er Remis machen konnte, auch nachher noch
aufrecht.>
The subvariations added by me when engine spotted a significantly better move. Perhaps the two played a little loose knowing the result already decided? Still, interesting enough to have on record.
(The story is that Steinitz was convinced "10-to-1" that Winawer's knight sacrifice was unsound. So, after lunch, despite Winawer losing on time, the two decided to continue play. |
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