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| May-09-15 | | Howard: So let's see 'em ! |
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May-10-15
 | | offramp: <Howard: So let's see 'em !> I am a bit busy at the moment.
Can anyone else give us Bobby Fischer's stats as World Champion and ex-World Champion, from 1973 to his death? Too much of a task for me at the moment. |
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| May-10-15 | | Howard: Very funny ! Admittedly, I didn't think of that "point". As far as stats, Fischer did play three games against a computer program back in 1977 or 1978. Do those count ?
He won all three, in fact. |
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| Jun-11-15 | | sharpnova: Lol. I think the average adult male human, learning the game then training for one week, could beat the best computer in the 70's. |
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| Jun-11-15 | | Howard: Oh, I would never go that far ! Computers were no pushover---not even in the mid-70's. Personally, I still remember a cover story in a 1974 or 1975 issue of Scientific American about computer chess. By the way, IM David Levy played a well-known match against a computer program back in 1978---he won, but by his own admission it wasn't easy. |
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| Nov-13-15 | | schttrj: It's like Petrosian took all the good squares from Fischer. And that bad bishop, Fischer just couldn't get him into action. In the very beginning of the game, Petrosian took a lot of territory. Fischer's pieces were crammped already. |
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Nov-13-15
 | | perfidious: <fab4....The soviets identified weaknesses in Fischer's opening repertoire for this torunament, and this was one of them. His stubborn adherence to this variation of the caro kann which they knew was positionally suspect. The black knight was always superior to the white bishop on g2 and as soon as it got to e5 went on the rampage....> Fischer's stubbornness when facing certain openings was a failing early in his international career, q v, the Winawer French, and this tendency was exploited to the full--even Keres, never an adherent of the Caro-Kann, took up the cudgels. |
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| Nov-13-15 | | TheFocus: What is interesting is that they had to so seriously prepare for a 16-year-old. Even then, they knew they had a contender to reckon with. |
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Nov-13-15
| | perfidious: Yugoslavia 1959 was not Fischer's turn to shine, but I quite agree: the Soviets knew they would have their moment of reckoning with the young grandmaster. |
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| Nov-13-15 | | Howard: Agreed, that at the age of 16 Fischer was hardly a "contender" for the world title. Keep in mind that he barely qualified for the Candidates that time around. |
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| Nov-13-15 | | TheFocus: <Howard> <Keep in mind that he barely qualified for the Candidates that time around.> How so? He tied with Olafsson (5-6=) with 12 points, right behind Petrosian and Benko (3-4=) who only scored a half point more. So are really saying that the 3rd - 6th place finishers, which they were, just "barely" qualified? |
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| Nov-13-15 | | Howard: Yes, that would be more accurate---probably should have been clearer. But, it seems from looking at his games in the interzonal, that he was probably a bit lucky to qualify that time around. Of course, in 1962 it was a different story....... |
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| Jul-01-17 | | WilliamJE: I saw this game for the first time all the way back in the mid 70's when Edmar Mednis came out with his book- How to beat Bobby Fischer Am I missing something at move 42?. Why doesn't Fischer play Qxc5+ if Qxc5 43 Rxb7+ Ka8 44 Rb5 discovered check. It's at worst a perpetual check because if either rook or Queen interposes on d5, white goes 45 Bxd5+ As I asked before, am I missing something? |
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| Jul-25-17 | | Toribio3: Fischer played passively. |
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Jun-21-18
 | | SteinitzLives: Safe to say young Bobby had not yet figured Tigran out yet. Black's pawn moves in the opening and the amazing utility of his knight moves in the middlegame are impressive. Watching Fischers long and desperate looking Q moves is painful. Petrosian's careful king walk with the two pawns leading him, despite heavy pieces on the board, shows the future world champs creativity and great calculation. Black seems to have found ways to well time the use of every one of his advantages throughout this game. |
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| Jun-21-18 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <WilliamJE>--You don't seem to post here anymore, so you may never see this, but after 42 Qxc5+ Qxc5 43 Rxb7+ Ka8 44 Rb5+ Rxf3 black wins. |
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| Dec-25-18 | | DonChalce: 22...Nce5 should have been avoided. i do not know exactly but e5-disrupting the bond between the centre pawns and raising one of the rooks(preferably queen's side one) on the second rank and making intelligent use of the white square bishop just anything! i feel the game was really lost with that move. |
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| Nov-01-21 | | RookFile: The problem with the opening is that the g2 bishop is a lousy piece in this setup. Fischer struggled and opened up possibilities for it and was better at one point. Then he lost his way. |
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| Nov-19-22 | | technical draw: The 16 year old Fischer did not resign even in a really lost position against a tough Russian Grandmaster. Maybe he was hoping Iron Tigran would blunder. Not likely! |
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| Nov-19-22 | | Olavi: <RookFile: The problem with the opening is that the g2 bishop is a lousy piece in this setup. Fischer struggled and opened up possibilities for it and was better at one point. Then he lost his way.> After Black has pushed d4, e5 and c5, the variation is a reversed King's Indian, Fischer's great favourite, with Black having exchanged his better bishop on f3. That doesn't make it a good try for an opening advantage. |
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| Jul-20-23 | | Toribio3: Wow! Mr. Defense Minister, Your Honor! |
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| Jul-20-23 | | jffun1958: <Olavi>: Anyway, Petrosjan won the game using that strategy. ;-) |
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| Jul-20-23 | | Olavi: <jffun1958> I meant that despite netting Black's better bishop, it's nothing to mail home about for White. It's White who is supposed to play for an edge in the opening... |
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| Jul-20-23 | | Olavi: Presumably the young Fischer thought otherwise, the KI being his favourite with Black, and there Black is normally happy if White for some reason gives up his bishop. He was wrong - remember Tal "accused" him of bad judgment (wrote Fischer in M60MG). |
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Oct-10-24
 | | Chessmaletaja: In this game, both players made several inexact moves. For example, Fischer's <20 cxd4> gave the square e5 for Black's pieces. Better was 20 b4. Petrosian's <21...♔b8?!> was needless. Better was 21...c4!. At times, White had an edge; at times, Black had an edge. However, the position after <27...♕e5-e7>: 
click for larger viewBlack cleared the central square e5 for his knight with his last move. As many commentators have noticed above and elsewhere, White blundered here: <28 ♖b1?? ♘e5-+> I checked the diagram position above with a couple of chess engines with a depth at least 30 half-moves. The conclusion is that White draws after
28 bxc5! ♘e5 29 ♖xd4 ♘xd3 30 ♖xd3 ♖xd3 31 c6=
At least, that was White's best chance. |
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