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Jean Dufresne vs Daniel Harrwitz
"Oops!... I Did It Dufresne" (game of the day Sep-03-2024)
Berlin (1847), Berlin GER, Dec-??
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Main Line (C51)  ·  1-0

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May-18-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: Copied from Dufresne's biography page:

"Mar-10-15 scassislusor:
Dufresne's "Little Textbook of Chess" continues to be published (German, of course) in its 31st edition at least; about 760 pages, with 78% of content devoted to openings with 130 illustrative games. After Dufresne died in i893 (12 years after first edition), Jacques Mieses was given the editorial work which lasted till 1954. After that Rudolf Teschner edited it until his death in 2006. I don't know who may have taken over. It has been and remains what I think is the best 1 volume reference since started in 1881."

-- Thank you scassislusor!

May-18-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Telemus: The moment Dufresne began the spectacle, there was also a simple solution: 22.♘xb6 axb6 23.e6.


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Jan-03-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  GrahamClayton: While Dufresne is better known as losing the "Evergreen Game" against Adolf Anderssen, this victory shows that he could play some brilliant attacking chess.
Jan-27-22  par5vin: White makes the game-winning move on move 29.Qe8 - setting up a discovery check and pawn promotion at the same time.
Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: User: KIRKO created today's Pun. I'm afraid I don't understand it.
Sep-03-24  sfm: Enjoyable inspired game!

<offramp: User: KIRKO created today's Pun. I'm afraid I don't understand it.>

Really?!

You do know Britney Spears song, right?
"Dufresne", has a striking resemblance to "again", ok, with just a little imagination and flexibility. Then there is the line "I played with your heart and lost in the game", which aligns perfectly with playing a game of chess, and making the losing mistakes.

So!

It would of course be even more striking if the name was even closer to "again". After Kirko's conception I think we will see copycats suggesting e.g. "Oops!... I Did It Anand"
or even stretch it to
"Oops!... I Did It Larsen"
in games lost to the players.
Looking forward to it!

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Honza Cervenka: Instead of 14...Bxd5 it was necessary to play 14...Nb4.
Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Perhaps I need better glasses. I <don't> think that Dufresne has a striking resemblance to <again>.
Sep-03-24  KIRKO: Very excited to see this as game of the day.One of my favorite Evans Gambit games that does not get the recognition it deserves!!!
Sep-03-24  hkannan2000: Dufresne and Rotlewi were at the wrong end of a brilliancy thus earning dubious reputation. Both were brilliant players in their own right.
Sep-03-24  areknames: <offramp> I think Dufresne is pronounced something like <Dufrain> so the punster may have a point.
Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <areknames: <offramp> I think Dufresne is pronounced something like <Dufrain> so the punster may have a point.>

I had a high school classmate by that surname, and he definitely pronounced it thus.

In this area, there are numerous names of French origin which are not pronounced quite as they would be an hour to the north, in Quebec, but this one is the same.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Jean Dufresne was a German, he was born in Berlin and he died in Berlin. His name is pronounced like this: <Doo-frezz-nee>. The name rhymes a bit like <Disney>.

There is a native German-speaker saying the name often here:
https://youtu.be/bZn0ibLtcx8?si=HQy...
<Die Immergrüne Partie || Adolf Anderssen vs. Jean Dufresne || Berlin 1852>.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Teyss: Great game, lame pun. It could for instance have had the non-pun title of "Everyoung" to offset Anderssen vs Dufresne, 1852, but no, now this brilliancy is stuck for generations to come with a modified Britney Spears title. Yes the game full of mistakes, but so is the Evergreen. BTW, I confirm Dufresne is pronounced as "again".

I already said what IMHO is a good pun, now let's apply it to an example. Below standard is certified by HISPIDU and ISO. A good pun includes:

<(a) An element of the game.
* 1 point if it does NOT reference one of the players' names but score, result, opening, location, etc.>

Here 0.

<(b) A good external reference.
* 1 point if is stand-alone (so not "Dzindzi Vitus"), not too cryptic, not too long, etc.>

Here 0. Britney Spears, come on.

<(c) An ingenious connection between the two.
That's the most important part and where most puns fail.
* 1 point if the link between (a) and (b) is strong: the reference makes sense and it's not just a title coming from nowhere.
* 1 point if the link is ingenious e.g. a good play on words.
* 1 point at the discretion of the Jury.>

Here it should be 0 but since the pun allowed us to see this game, the Jury magnanimously gives 1 point.
It would have gained another one if Jean Dufresne had already won against Daniel Harrwitz, but it's the only game between the two players.
Total 1 out of 5 possible.

No offence.

Let's take some other examples:
T Loyd vs I Loyd, 1856 (a) 1 (b) 1 (c) 3 = 5/5
Giri vs Shankland, 2019 (a) 1 (b) 1 (c) 3 = 5/5
McShane vs Wojtaszek, 2011 (a) 1 (b) 1 (c) 2 = 4/5

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <offramp> is bored agesne.
Sep-03-24  sfm: <MissScarlett: <offramp> is bored agesne.>

Plesne and simple!

Sep-03-24  sfm: Before somebody in the future starts overloading our indispensable <offramp> I will preemptively point out that my own idea

"Oops!... I Did It Larsen"

runs into the issue that it is LARsen, not larSEN. Similarly for CARLsen, as for most Scandinavian names ending on "-sen" (meaning "-son"). Emphasis is not on the last syllable.

But "Oops!... I Did It Anand" is still ok, I believe.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <sfm: <MissScarlett: <offramp> is bored agesne.> Plesne and simple!>

Hmm...User: sfm. Did you know that directly south of Denmark there is a country called, in English, <Germany>?

Did you know that a lot of the German people speak German?

Poor old Jean Dufresne was German. He was born in Berlin. He spoke and wrote and read in German. He had a German moustache. He died in Berlin.

He wasn't French.

Have a look at YouTube to see Germans saying the name <Dufresne>. They say the name in a similar was to the name <Disney>

Dufresne do, but Disney don't.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Teyss: Hi User: KIRKO,

I just realised you are a very recent member here. First, welcome. Second, congrats for having your pun selected within one day. Some users wait for years. So far the record is held by User: FSR with over 12 years (cf. P Acs vs Vachier-Lagrave, 2008 (kibitz #6)).

Third, don't get a wrong impression: behind the sarcasm it's a friendly site. It's also a school of life: if you can stand User: MissScarlett 's bashing, you're ready for anything. Because in the end gens una sumus.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  Teyss: Oh my, User: offramp is right as usual, Jean Dufresne was German. I always thought he was French. So much for my knowledge, but then how more French can "Jean" and "Dufresne" sound? So indeed his name would be pronounced <Doo-frez-ne>, with the "e" as in "but". Slightly distant from "again".

Now let's see, 'Chess for Dummies', paperback, 16.79€, fast delivery 21.79€. Click, click, done.

Sep-03-24  sfm: <offramp
Hmm...User: sfm. Did you know that directly south of Denmark there is a country called, in English, "Germany"?

Did you know that a lot of the German people speak German?>

I have been away from Denmark for some time, but now that you say it, yes! It does ring a bell, and makes good sense.

<He had a German moustache.> I recall over time seeing some pictures of a man with such a thing. Maybe that was Dufresne.

"Jean Dufresne" sounds to me as French as anything gets, but it will have been modified for local use.

After spending some hours thinking about it, I agree - it may not in either country have sounded quite like "again".

What a lousy pun!

Sep-03-24  sfm: <sfm: What a lousy pun!> Hmm, accepting that 'Dusfresne' was in fact German, this shows the problems with pun very well. https://www.howtopronounce.com/germ... However, KIRKO could maybe excuse himself with ignorance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljV...
This is much closer to pass as "again".

CG.com should really make a clear rule that pun-submitters check these matters carefully so we don't get our day ruined.

Sep-03-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Dufresne in Spesne stays mesnely in the plesne!> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVm...
Sep-04-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: I agree with others that the game is worthy enough, but the pun is very strange. If it was selected one day after submission, that shows (for the millionth time), that <MissScarlett> works in mysterious ways. Many far worthier puns for very cool games languish for years without being selected.
Sep-04-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: We ask that posters please refresne from these kind of puns.
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