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| Jul-30-12 | | BadKnight: <Bishoprick> yes it does, aug 04, 1989. |
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Jul-30-12
 | | Bishoprick: Thank you, Marmot! |
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| Jul-30-12 | | madbeemer: look it up in wiki |
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| Jul-30-12 | | severus6: 'Atta boy, Magnus! |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Marmot PFL: <With a win in this game he should be crossing 2840 in the live rating.> Of equal significance he is widening that gap on #2. Mainly because he now almost never seems to lose, whereas previously you might expect at least 1 bad game per event. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | haydn20: Nakamura-Wang should be a whiz-banger tomorrow. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Eyal: <he now almost never seems to lose> Yeah, since the beginning of this year Carlsen lost a single classical game (to Karjakin in Tata) out of 29 (13 Tata + 9 Tal Memorial + 7 in Biel so far). Add the previous year, and it's only 4 losses in 89 games since the beginning of 2011. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Ulhumbrus: <<55...Nd6 attacks the b5 pawn and keeps White's King back. On 55..Nd6 56 b6 Kd8 57 Nc4 Nxc4 58 Kxc5 Kc8 White's King can do nothing and Black's King heads for the b6 pawn>
Yes, but instead of 57.Nc4? White can counter-attack Black's a-pawn with his king: 57.Kc3 Kc8 58.Kb2 Kb7 59.Ka3.> That leaves black a pawn ahead. Carlsen finds however a better way. He does not try to prevent Kc4 and he ends up winning the b pawn for nothing and the game |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Ulhumbrus: If Wang Hao overlooked the resource of 46...Nb6! when he made the choice of 43 Qb2 followed by 44 Qb5, this suggests that in order to avoid going too far trying to win, he had to foresee all such resources. |
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Jul-30-12
 | | al wazir: I don't understand why Wang forced the trade of his heavy pieces at moves 42--45. I'm poor at endgames, but I know a few rules of thumb, like: When you're ahead, trade pieces; when you're behind, trade pawns. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | andrewjsacks: I would like to see some solid analysis at White's 41st move. Is the Black a pawn really immune to either capture? |
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| Jul-30-12 | | latvalatvian: Carlsen is probably better than me |
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| Jul-30-12 | | whiteshark: <latvalatvian> http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/at... |
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Jul-30-12
 | | perfidious: <andrewjsacks: I would like to see some solid analysis at White's 41st move. Is the Black a pawn really immune to either capture?> Looking at this, I don't see any problem with either 41.Qxa5 Qxa5 42.Nxa5 Ra8 43.Nb7 or 41.Nxa5 Ra8 for White, but neither do I see any advantage. The variation which goes into an ending in particular looks level and should turn into a draw fairly quickly, but the main problem from Wang's point of view may have been that this was the first move after the time check, and that he had been putting the heat on his opponent throughout the middlegame. Making the psychological adjustment to the change in circumstances can be very difficult indeed. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Eyal: <[...] White's 41st move. Is the Black a pawn really immune to either capture?> It's "immune" in the sense that capturing it leads to the loss of White's a-pawn and thus to a clear draw, after the liquidation of all the Q-side pawns: 41.Qxa5 Qxa5 42.Nxa5 Ra8 43.Nb7, or 41.Nxa5 Ra8. The point is that at this stage of the game Hao was still playing for a win, not for a draw. The same question is actually more interesting two moves later: 43.Nxa5 doesn't bring White anything subtantial after 43...Qa6!; 43.Qxa5? actually loses to 43...Qb3 44.Ndb2 Ne5!! or 44.Ncb2 Qc2+ followed by 45...c4 (but not 44...c4 immediately because of 45.Qb4!). The point where the tables turned was move 46 - Hao clearly missed 46...Nb6! (47.Nxb6 a3 and the pawn queens). White could easily force a practically dead drawn position at this point by 46.b6 [instead of Ndb2?] a3 47.Nxa3 Nxb6 48.Nxc5. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | andrewjsacks: <perfidious> I consult no chess engine, and my masterly skills may have waned somewhat over the past few years of tournament inactivity, but I suspect that the pawn was not immune to both possible captures, and that it was at this point that Wang began to "lose it." I see no reason for him to lose this game at move 40. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | andrewjsacks: <Eyal> I agree. The 46...Nb6 "shot" must have been a very unpleasant surprise for Hao. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Eyal: <<<55...Nd6 attacks the b5 pawn and keeps White's King back. On 55..Nd6 56 b6 Kd8 57 Nc4 Nxc4 58 Kxc5 Kc8 White's King can do nothing and Black's King heads for the b6 pawn> Yes, but instead of 57.Nc4? White can counter-attack Black's a-pawn with his king: 57.Kc3 Kc8 58.Kb2 Kb7 59.Ka3.> That leaves black a pawn ahead. Carlsen finds however a better way. He does not try to prevent Kc4 and he ends up winning the b pawn for nothing and the game> Actually, there's a way for White to remain only one pawn down even after <55...Kd8!>: 56.b6 Kc8 57.Nc4 Kb7 58.Kc2 Kc6 (preparing Nd6) 59.Nb2 Kxb6 60.Nxa4+ Kb5: 
click for larger viewBut this, with the black king invading and a backward white king, is clearly better for Black than the position at the end of the line starting with 55..Nd6(?) 56.b6 Kd8 57.Kc2 (after the a & b pawns have gone off the board): 
click for larger viewBtw, it's instructive to compare the line 55..Nd6 56.b6 Kd8 57.Kc2 Kc8 58.Kb2 Kb7 59.Ka3 Kxb6 60.Kxa4 with 55...Kd8 56.Kc2 Kc7 57.Kb2 Kb6 58.Ka3 Kxb5. In both the black kings makes the same number of moves, but in the second he reaches a better square, in time to defend its own pawn. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Bobby Fiske: Who does Magnus Carlsen think he is? -Does he really think he can play black against a super-GM, without any particular opening preparations, and expect to outplay his opponent in the end game and win just like that? |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Klopstix: What an endgame... I almost feel sorry for Hao, almost. Kd8 was an amazing move by MC. And who cares about who is world champion? With the current system it's a deflated title, and everyone knows who the real Champ is. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Bobby Fiske: Interesting post game analyzes by Magnus on YouTube: "Not a great game" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wT... |
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| Jul-30-12 | | kappertjes: Carlsen was almost apologetic about the win. He called it 'lucky' and when the (annoying!) interviewer said it was a great game he simply said "not a great game...". I think he felt that he was lucky to have Hao miss the 44. ...Nb6 shot and that the game should have been a draw. Just shows the level at which these GMs operate since I would never consider that 'obvious'. Link to interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=P... |
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| Jul-30-12 | | TheFocus: An hour after playing Chinese Checkers, I feel hungry again. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | twinlark: <Who does Magnus Carlsen think he is? -Does he really think he can play black against a super-GM, without any particular opening preparations, and expect to outplay his opponent in the end game and win just like that?> Amen to that brother. The Great One Rules. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Bobby Fiske: Rope-a-dope
If this game ever makes it to a Sunday puzzle (“Black to move after 46. Ndb2”) it could be coined <Rope-a-dope>, the way Magnus was laying low until Wang tired out and lost his accuracy. |
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