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| May-01-13 | | Pedro Fernandez:  As far as the ways to go expressed by <AylerKupp> in 2), concerning to the coordination, please let me propose to <OhioChessFan>. So far we have been successful through its coordination. |
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| May-01-13 | | hms123: <crawfb5> You are right about ICCF. I had to register with them a few months ago to get the files. |
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May-01-13
 | | sbevan:  The old Sicilian appeals to me.
B32
Sicilian (B32)
I enjoyed one of the games:
Anand vs Radjabov, 2003 |
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| May-01-13 | | hms123: <AK> I will volunteer to take any of the lines, preferably whatever is least important as my knowledge of the Sicilian is still pretty bad. Just let me know. |
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| May-01-13 | | cro777: I'm centered upon top level correspondence games. On higher level, the most popular are the Sveshnikov (Pelikan) and the Classical (Richter Rauzer Attack) variations. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 
click for larger viewThere are two main systems: One involves doubling Black's f-pawns (9.Bxf6), the other is more classical (9.Nd5) which usually leads to quieter play. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.0–0–0 Bd7 
click for larger view<kwid> used to play 8...h6. This move was popular at that time, but in this game he will take into consideration the newer developments. The newest developments we may follow at the ongoing Bielecki tournament.
MT-Bielecki is a correspondence chess event in memory of Witold Bielecki (1947-2008), former president of the Polish Correspondence Chess Federation. The tournament's Section A (Top players) is the 3rd strongest tournament in ICCF history. In the participants list we can find Ron Langeveld, 26th World Champion, top players Nikolai Papenin (currently 3rd highest rated player in the world), Arno Nickel (our former opponent in GM challenge), David Lafarga Santorroman, Dr Hans Dieter Wunderlich et al (12 out of 13 are grandmasters). |
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| May-01-13 | | kwid: Bring back the good old times.
[Event "K-41"]
[Site "CCCA"]
[Date "1985.01.01"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Pineault, Denis"]
[Black "Widmann, Kurt"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B89"]
[PlyCount "140"]
[EventDate "1985.01.01"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8.
Qe2 a6 9. O-O-O Qc7 10. Bb3 O-O 11. Rhg1 Na5 12. g4 b5 13. g5 Nxb3+ 14. axb3
Nd7 15. f4 b4 16. Na4 (16. Nf5 Bd8 17. Nh6+ Kh8 18. Bd4 Nc5 19. Qh5 bxc3 20.
Nxf7+ Qxf7 21. g6 Qxf4+ 22. Kb1 h6 23. Rg4 (23. Rgf1 Bg5) 23... Bg5 24. Rxf4
Bxf4 25. Bxc5 dxc5 26. Qxc5 Rg8 27. e5 Bg5 28. bxc3 Rb8 29. Kb2 Bb7 30. Rd7 Bg2
31. Qd6 Bh3 32. Qxa6 Rgf8 33. b4 Bf5 34. Qa7 Bxg6 35. Rxg7 Ra8) 16... Bb7 17.
f5 e5 18. f6 exd4 19. fxe7 Rfe8 20. Rxd4 Rxe7 21. Rxb4 Bxe4 22. Nc3 Bc6 23. Rh4
Nf8 24. Qd2 Rae8 25. Bd4 Ng6 26. Rh3 Qa5 27. Kb1 Qf5 28. Rhg3 Nh4 29. Rd1 Nf3
30. Qf2 Re1 31. Rg1 Rxg1 32. Rxg1 Qf4 33. Rg3 Re6 34. Bb6 Nd2+ 35. Ka2 Qxf2 36.
Bxf2 Be4 37. Ba7 Kf8 38. b4 Bc6 39. h4 Nf3 40. Rg4 h6 41. gxh6 Rxh6 42. Bf2 Ne5
43. Rf4 Rg6 44. Ba7 Ke7 45. Nd1 Rg3 46. Ne3 Rf3 47. Nf5+ Kf6 48. Rxf3 Nxf3 49.
Nxd6 Ke6 50. Bc5 Nxh4 51. c4 Nf5 52. Nc8 Bb7 53. Nb6 Nd6 54. Kb3 Bc6 55. Kc3 g5
56. Kd3 f5 57. b3 f4 58. Na4 Ne4 59. b5 axb5 60. cxb5 Bd5 61. Bd4 Nd6 62. b6 g4
63. Ke2 Kf5 64. Nc5 g3 65. Kf1 f3 66. Be3 Bc6 67. b4 Kg4 68. Bd4 Kh3 69. Kg1
Nb5 70. Be3 Nc3 0-1 |
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May-01-13
 | | AylerKupp: <crawfb5> Thanks for the <very important> comment about not using other members' forums for posts. It was late at night and I guess I must have been tired and thinking about all those Team vs. Grandmaster games where the Grandmaster was excluded from seeing our forums if we set it up that way. I should know better by now to make silly posts late at night. Then again, being wide awake and during the day doesn't prevent me from making silly posts either. :-( And, yes, I also figured out that the ICCF wants you to register with them before you can downloaded. I did so also, and I downloaded the entire 2012 game archives and the Jan-Mar 2013 archives. Now all I have to figure out how to use them since I don't have a database set up. |
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May-01-13
| | AylerKupp: <Pedro Fernandez> I'm sorry that I didn't make myself sufficiently clear. In order to use either the ATSS or the SGSS you must have either Excel or Microsoft Office (which includes Excel) installed, version 2003 or later. Or you must have an Office-compatible spreadsheet such as Open Office. If you don't, I'm sorry but you can't use them. If you don't have Excel or Office I can convert the spreadsheet tab containing the current move page and the summary as a *.pdf file and upload that for you to download it. I did that for <hoodrobin> a while back since he didn't have a computer where he could run Excel and he still doesn't. If the two of you want it, I can do that. But you won't be able to use any of the spreadsheet features such as highlighting moves, focusing on specific analyses, etc. Maybe <hoodrobin> can tell you if the spreadsheet contents are worth looking at in *.pdf form. |
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| May-01-13 | | kwid: How about a Rauser B66 with h6 Averbach var.
[Event "olm11 fin B4 corr9298"]
[Site "ICCF corr"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fabri, Ferenc"]
[Black "Widmann, Kurt"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B66"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "1992.??.??"]
[EventType "team (corr)"]
[EventRounds "12"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2002.05.23"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 <cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
O-O-O h6> 9. Bf4 Bd7 10. Nxc6 Bxc6 11. f3 d5 12. Qe1 Bb4 13. a3 Ba5 14. b4 Bb6
15. exd5 Bxd5 16. Nxd5 Nxd5 17. Be5 O-O 18. Kb1 Qe8 19. c4 Ne3 20. Rd2 Qa4 21.
c5 Nxf1 22. Rxf1 Bd8 23. Qg3 f6 24. Bb2 a5 25. Rfd1 Be7 26. Qc7 Rfe8 27. Qb6
axb4 28. axb4 Ra6 29. Qxb7 f5 30. f4 Ra7 31. Qb6 Qa2+ 32. Kc1 Rea8 33. Re2 Ra6
34. Qb5 Qb3 35. Rd3 Ra1+ 0-1 |
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| May-01-13 | | capafan: <Pedro Fernandez>OpenOffice is open-source, free, and can be used on any OS. It is very comparable to Excel and easy to use. If you have never used a spreadsheet, (AK)'s sophisticated setup will take a little getting used to but it is an excellent way to learn. (AK) has left out very few bells and whistles and it is a great tool, well worth the time and effort. In addition, there are several old-timers here who can assist... You can download OpenOffice at:
http://www.openoffice.org/download/ |
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| May-01-13 | | capafan: I am hoping they play the Sveshnikov (Pelikan) wherein we can pretend to pound the backward "d" pawn and create weaknesses as Black tries to protect it. If we can turn this l an endgame duel, Black may regret creating pawn weaknesses early. |
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May-01-13
 | | Check It Out: Sorry guys, work got busy and I forgot to switch before the deadline. |
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| May-01-13 | | kwid: May-01-13
<sbevan: The old Sicilian appeals to me. Sicilian (B32) I enjoyed one of the games:>
if white should play c4/b3 we would have a very interesting game. 3. d4 <cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5> 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 Be7 7. b3 f5 8. exf5
Bxf5 9. Bd3 e4 10. Be2 a6 11. N5c3 Bf6 12. O-O Be5 13. f4 exf3 14. Bxf3 Nge7
15. Bf4 Bd4+ 16. Kh1 O-O
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May-01-13
| | AylerKupp: Well, now we know who to blame if we lose this game. :-) |
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May-01-13
| | AylerKupp: <Pedro Fernandez> And, if you need help after you install Open Office, I will be more than happy to give you some spreadsheet basics. |
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May-01-13
| | AylerKupp: <capafan> I'm not sure if I like this "pretend" to pound idea. I say we do it for real! And, actually, the real weakness in Black's game in the Sveshnikov and all other variations with Black pawns on d6 and e5 is not the d6 pawn itself but the d5 square. If White can post and keep a knight on d5 he typically wins, particularly if White can exchange LSBs leaving Black with only the bad DSB. |
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| May-01-13 | | JAMESROOK: benjinathan: <JAMESROOK> I have never seen you before (although I see you have posted 9 times in 2 years). Welcome to the game! Thanks for the welcome,benjinathan. just got back from a few days away. |
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| May-01-13 | | Hesam7: <kwid: How about a Rauser B66 with h6 Averbach var. > Rauzer is a bad idea in general and that line in particular has been nearly refuted in recent years: 3...cd4 4 Nd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 Nc6 6 Bg5 e6 7 Qd2 a6 8 O-O-O h6? 9 Nc6! bc6 10 Bf4 d5 11 Qe3 
click for larger viewBlack's position is pretty bad, 11...Be7, 11...Bb4 & 11...Qa5 have all been tried but in every line White holds a large advantage. |
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| May-01-13 | | cro777: Team Black may avoid our presumed main line (3...cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3) by opting for the Kalashnikov system (4...e5). The difference between the Sveshnikov (Pelikan) and the Kalashnikov (Sveshnikov 2), given by the moves 4...Nf6 5.Nc3, is that in Kalashnikov Black avoids the pin on the f6-knight. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6
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<White has tried here: 6.N1c3 (this is White's first choice), 6.c4, 6.a4 and 6.Be3.> 6.N1c3 a6 7.Na3
click for larger view7... Be6 is best Black's way to remain in the Kalashnikov system. 7...b5 8.Nd5 Nf6 9.Bg5 leads to the Sveshnikov (Pelikan). |
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| May-01-13 | | ajile: I'm not an expert in the Sicilian but isn't there a radical gambit line that goes 3..cxd4 4.c3?! |
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| May-01-13 | | kwid: Well, I was shocked from your claim and took some time to see about your
B66/h6 posting.
Anyway I would not mind facing your Bxc6/Qe3 line in an corr. or otb encounter. For the record sake here are some lines indicating that black should hold with ease. [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "B66"]
[Black " Data Survey"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B66"]
[Annotator "kwid"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "2013.05.01"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 d6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
O-O-O h6 9. Nxc6 bxc6 10. Bf4 d5 11. Qe3 Bb4 12. a3 (12. Be2 O-O 13. e5 Nh7 (
13... Nd7 14. Bxh6 Bxc3 15. Bxg7 Kxg7 16. Qg3+ Kh8 17. Qh3+ Kg7 18. Qg4+ Kh6
19. Qh3+ Kg6 20. Qh5+ Kg7 21. Qg4+ Kh6) 14. h4 Qa5 15. Rh3 Rb8 16. Bxh6 Rb7 17.
Rg3 f6 18. exf6 Rxf6 19. Bg5 Rf5 20. Bg4 Bc5 21. Qd3 Rxf2 22. Be3 Rff7 23. Bxc5
Qxc5 24. b3 Nf6 25. Be2 e5) (12. exd5 cxd5 13. Be2 O-O 14. Kb1 a5 15. Qg3 Bxc3
16. Qxc3 Ba6 17. Bxa6 Rxa6 18. Rhe1 Qc8 19. Qxc8 Rxc8 20. f3 Nd7 21. Re2 f6 22.
Bg3 Kf7) 12... Ba5 13. exd5 (13. e5 Nd7 14. h4 c5 15. h5 Qb6 16. Qg3 Rb8 17.
Na4 Qc6 18. Qxg7 Rf8 19. Nc3 Qb6 20. Na4 Qc6) 13... cxd5 14. Be2 O-O 15. Kb1
Qb6 16. Rd3 Qxe3 17. Bxe3 Bc7 18. f4 Rb8 19. Rf1 Bb6 20. Bd4 Bxd4 21. Rxd4 Rd8
22. g4 Rd6 23. g5 hxg5 24. fxg5 Nd7 25. h4 f5 26. gxf6 Nxf6 27. Ra4 e5 
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May-01-13
 | | WannaBe: 4...Nf6 or 4...e6 are fine with me, after the 3...cxd4 and 4. Nxd4 |
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| May-01-13 | | capafan: <ajile><radical gambit line that goes 3..cxd4 4.c3?!> Black does not have to accept the gambit and after... <1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. c3?!> 4...d3 5. Bxd3 d6
has white really achieved anything? |
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May-01-13
| | AylerKupp: <ajile> Sure, the Smith-Morra gambit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicili... for some of its variations. And here is a link to Part I of a manuscript on it: http://www.chessvictory.com/SmithMo.... But don't get too excited. OE has 72 games with 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.c3 with White winning 31.9% of the time, Black winning 47.2% of the time, and 28.3% drawn. So, like my earlier 2.Ke2 "suggestion", I don't think I will add it to either the ATSS or SGSS just yet. But it would sure be fun to see the look on Team Black's faces after 4.c3. |
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| May-01-13 | | capafan: <cro777><Team Black may avoid our presumed main line (3...cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3) by opting for the Kalashnikov system (4...e5). > Regarding your comment, we might try something like Carlsen's treatment shown here. Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2013
Black can play also 5...a6, but I think White has an easier time with it. |
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