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| May-01-13 | | capafan:  User <LifeMaster> has a nice analysis of the Carlsen-Nakamura game at:http://www.ajschess.com/thegotmman/... |
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| May-02-13 | | hoodrobin: Then after <3...cxd4 4.Nxd4>: if <4...Nf6 5.Nc3>,
if <4...e5 5.Nb5>. |
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| May-02-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: <AylerKupp!> Of course! It was my bad, maybe I forgot .xls files from MSO as I use LaTeX to write my things. Long time back I don't install my old Office 2003. Thanks my friend. |
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| May-02-13 | | bigpeta66: If you use open office then it has macro running turned off as default.
you have to go to tools options to change the setting. |
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| May-02-13 | | Hesam7:  <kwid: Well, I was shocked from your claim and took some time to see about your B66/h6 posting. Anyway I would not mind facing your Bxc6/Qe3 line in an corr. or otb encounter. For the record sake here are some lines indicating that black should hold with ease.> Well lets see how safe it is, after <3...cd4 4 Nd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 Nc6 6 Bg5 e6 7 Qd2 a6 8 O-O-O h6? 9 Nc6! bc6 10 Bf4 d5 11 Qe3 Bb4 12 Be2 O-O 13 e5 Nh7 <14 Ne4>> 
click for larger viewI don't really see how White can not have a large advantage here, just compare the minor pieces. The engine's suggestion ends up in a miserable endgame for us: <14...Qa5 15 a3 Ba3 16 Qa3 Qa3 17 ba3 de4 18 Be3! a5 19 Rd6 Ba6 20 Ba6 Ra6 21 Rhd1 Re8> Forced! 21...Ng5? 22 h4 Nh7 and any other Rook move allows Rd8 with check <22 R1d4 Nf8 23 Re4> 
click for larger view<kwid> the line you suggest was very popular in the late 90s. Kramnik in particular used to play the Rauzer all the time until White uncovered 9 Nc6!, then all the top players who played the opening abandoned it. |
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| May-02-13 | | cro777: <Carlsen's (Nunn's) treatment of the Kalashnikov: 6.g3> "I didn't expect him [Nakamura] to play this opening [the Kalashnikov] at all. I suspected when I went 6.g3 that he might go 6...h5. I thought we'll have to take it from there." (Carlsen) Magnus Carlsen - Hikaru Nakamura (Tata Steel 2013)
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6 6.g3
click for larger view6.g3 is a move applied by John Nunn with the idea to strengthen the control over the d5-square with the help of the bishop on g2. But this development requires 2 tempi. Black can also exploit the weakness of the f1-a6 diagonal. As Carlsen expected, Nakamura played 6...h5. Black's best move here is 6...Nf6, going for the center and trying to exploit the weakness of the f1-a6 diagonal by Be6-c4 or by Nf6 and Bg4: 7.Bg5 Be6 8.Bg2 Be7 and White has to be careful to Bc4 or 7.Bg2 Bg4 8.Qd3 Rc8 (threatens Nb4) 9.N5c3 d5 10.exd5 Nd4. Sveshnikov also criticised the move 6...h5. According to him, the critical line is 6...Nf6 7.Bg5. |
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May-02-13
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| May-02-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: < bigpeta66: If you use open office then it has macro running turned off as default. you have to go to tools options to change the setting.> That's a very good idea so I don't need to install my old MSO, thanks! |
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| May-02-13 | | capafan: A more traditional approach to 4...e5 than Carlsen's g3. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6 6.<c4> 
click for larger view6....Be7 7.N1c3 a6 8.Na3 Be6 9.Nc2 Rc8 10.b3 Nf6 11.Bd3 O-O 12.Bb2 
click for larger viewThis appears to work better than the alternative of 12.0-0 b5 13.cxb5 Na7 (the B is not on b2 and Black can recapture the b-pawn with the N) 12...b5 13.cxb5 axb5
click for larger view14.0-0 d5 and Black is even here... |
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| May-02-13 | | kwid: There is little chance that B66 will be voted in. But for history sake let me just say that Fisher and Kasparov
were quite aware af the Nxc6 draw line
known since the Botwinnik time.
I still find it interesting and challenging to play. Here is a blitz
assessment of your Ne4 in the Nh7 line.
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2013.05.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "B66 "]
[Black "Averbach Nxc6"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B66"]
[Annotator "kwid"]
[PlyCount "46"]
[EventDate "2013.05.02"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 a6 7. Qd2 e6 8.
O-O-O h6 9. Nxc6 bxc6 10. Bf4 d5 11. Qe3 Bb4 12. Be2 O-O 13. e5 <Nh7> 14. <Ne4> Be7
15. Nd6 (15. Kb1 f5 16. Nd6 Ng5 17. g4 Ne4 18. Rhg1 Rb8 19. gxf5 Bxd6 20. Rxg7+
Kxg7 21. Rg1+ Kh7 22. Qh3 Rf6 23. exd6 e5 24. Bxe5 Bxf5 25. Bg4 Nxd6 26. Bxf5+
Nxf5 27. Bxf6 Qxf6 28. b3 a5) 15... Bxd6 16. exd6 Re8 (16... Nf6 17. h4 Re8 18.
Be5 Nd7 19. g4 Nxe5 20. Qxe5 f6 21. Qg3 e5 22. g5 fxg5 23. hxg5 Qxg5+ 24. Qxg5
hxg5 25. Rdg1 g4) 17. Be5 (17. Qg3 e5 18. Bxh6 Qf6 19. Bd2 Qxd6 20. f4 Nf6 21.
fxe5 Qxe5 22. Qxe5 Rxe5) 17... f6 18. Bd4 e5 19. Bc5 Rb8 20. h4 (20. Rhe1 Nf8
21. f4 Bf5 22. fxe5 Rxe5) 20... f5 21. Ba3 Nf6 22. f3 Be6 23. Qc3 Qb6 1/2-1/2 btw 13..Nd7 instead of Nh7 is safer for black. |
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| May-02-13 | | Boomie: <Hesam7: The engine's suggestion...> Ouch. We can't use engines in this game for anything. Please read the rules. |
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| May-02-13 | | kwid: May-01-13
<WannaBe: 4...Nf6 or 4...e6 are fine with me, after the 3...cxd4 and 4. Nxd4>Why not 4...e5 which could be quite interesting for us. Look at some potential positions we could aim for: 4...< e5> 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 (6. g3 Be7 7. Bg2 Nf6 8. N5c3 O-O 9. Be3 (9. h3 Nd4) 9... Ng4)
click for larger view6... Be7 7. b3 f5 8. exf5
(8. Ba3 Nf6 9. N1c3 O-O) 8... Bxf5 9. Bd3 e4
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| May-02-13 | | capafan: For those with nothing more to do and who like to mix it up... 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6
6.Bg5 Qxg5 7.Nc7+
click for larger viewyou may analyze this. It may not warrant serious consideration, however, without computers it would be fun for somebody to examine. (benjinathan) Two minor pieces for rook and Black loses castling privileges pushed behind the weak d-pawn. Neither side has completed development and it is going to take Black many tempi to properly secure his/her king (probably as many as it will take White to complete development LOL) |
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| May-02-13 | | stunningmove: 4...e5 for me, the Kali |
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| May-02-13 | | Boomie: <kwid: Kalashnikov with 6. c4 and 7. b3> According to the OE Opening Explorer, 7. N1c3 is more likely although 7. b3 and especially 7. Be2 have had better results. 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 Be7 7. N1c3 a6 8. Na3 Be6
click for larger viewAlso notice that your diagrams do not quite match the text. |
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| May-02-13 | | Boomie: It seems to me that the question of 4...e5 is whether 5. c4 is an advantage for white. Since we can stop c4 by playing 4...Nf6, we should consider if c4 is a strength or a weakness. Our knight goes to f6 in most lines so this is a question of timing. |
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| May-02-13 | | morfishine: <capafan> On your comment: <It may not warrant serious consideration, however, without computers it would be fun for somebody to examine> This is exactly what needs to be examined due to the nature of a BOB game |
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May-02-13
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3...cxd4
FINAL VOTE TALLY:
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(100.0%) |
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total # of votes: 25
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May-02-13
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3...cxd4
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| May-02-13 | | kwid: After 4.c3 do we play
a) 4...dxc3
b) 4...d5
c) 4...Nf6
d) 4...d3 |
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| May-02-13 | | Pedro Fernandez: In the position
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Team Black must decide 4...? between a rich set of possibilities which, in turn, will determine our game plan. Coincidentally last night I put my attention on <capafan> conjecture 4...e5, so I did a brief bibliographic review on the matter and my personal conclusion was that such a move could favor the white. However it is difficult to predict the path the Black Team will take. It is well known that the quiet move, solid 4 ... Nf6 development has probably been the most widely played, but maybe Team Black could be more aggressive. In other words, we have to wait such a decision. |
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| May-02-13 | | Bobwhoosta: cxd4 just like that, eh? Did anyone discuss alternatives??? |
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| May-02-13 | | Boomie: <kwid: After 4.c3>
The numbers for 4...d3 look tasty. Opening Explorer All the options look good for black. 4...d3 ties white up a bit like in the Falkbeer Counter Gambit without giving up a pawn. But any of them are fine. For that reason, it is very unlikely they will vote for it. |
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| May-02-13 | | Hesam7: <Boomie: <Hesam7: The engine's suggestion...> Ouch. We can't use engines in this game for anything. Please read the rules.> Oops, forgot about that. |
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| May-02-13 | | Hesam7: <kwid: There is little chance that B66 will be voted in. But for history sake let me just say that Fisher and Kasparov were quite aware af the Nxc6 draw line known since the Botwinnik time.> Not true.
The first game in CG.com database with 11 Qe3 is a correspondence game from 1997: J Moucka vs M N Adriano, 1997. |
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