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Magnus Carlsen vs Hans Niemann
"Where There's Moke, There's Fire" (game of the day Sep-07-2022)
Sinquefield Cup (2022), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 3, Sep-04
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Romanishin Variation (E20)  ·  0-1

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Oct-01-22  ZoboBear 000000001: RE: Cheat detection...

https://youtu.be/tDsLu3ISqJQ?t=559 (worth rewinding too!)

"That's how people like YOU think your opponent's cheating"

Again, Ben comes up with a good vid (and, just coincidentially, supports the stuff I've been saying here the last couple of days).

Oct-01-22  whiteshark: <"BIG Stuff" Is Coming> Naka reads out the latest FIDE and chess.com news which fits the topic perfectly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6... (~17m:04s) ENJOY!
Oct-01-22  whiteshark: <This Is Going To Break Chess> Hikaru reacts to Jonda's video on how easy it is to create a chess cheating device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN-... (~11m:31s)

The (brilliant) game mentionend within Gelfand vs Niemann, 2021

Oct-01-22  aliejin: n life you are decent or not.
At 6.7 years of age, the essential structure
of personality is completely defined.

Nieman has already admitted that he twice engaged in immoral conduct (He had no choice but to recognize it)
We are facing an immoral. It is obvious

But when someone admits something he usually does. to cover other traps -

Software used by experts can identify
the "waves" of absolute precision in a good batch of games and thus detect suspicious behavior

I suppose that in 2 or 3 months this rat will be expelled of the FIDE

Oct-01-22  Petrosianic: <aliejin> <n life you are decent or not. At 6.7 years of age, the essential structure
of personality is completely defined.

Nieman has already admitted that he twice engaged in immoral conduct (He had no choice but to recognize it) We are facing an immoral. It is obvious>

By your own reasoning, so is Carlsen. Though he hasn't admitted to it, he has indisputably broken multiple FIDE Rules in the last month. By your reasoning, to do anything wrong is, in effect, to do everything wrong, so everything Carlsen has done in his whole life is tainted. If he'd throw a game, he might rob a bank or commit a murder, who knows? The sky's the limit with immorals, and the probability so high that no evidence is needed.

Obviously you don't really believe what you're saying, and are inventing a standard that's supposed to apply to one specific case only, but no others. That itself is immoral, so follow the reasoning from there. You seem to have condemned yourself.

Oct-01-22
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  saffuna: <n life you are decent or not. At 6.7 years of age, the essential structure
of personality is completely defined.>

A lot of people change significantly as adults.

Oct-02-22
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  perfidious: <aliejin> would, however, defend Alekhine to the death and tell us all that the Nazi devils made him write those pieces for Pariser Zeitung--nothing at all to do with that personality which was 'defined' at 6.7 years.
Oct-02-22  boz: Absolutely, people can change in profound ways. I've seen it and experienced it myself. Sometimes it's a change for the better. Sometimes it's a change for the worse.
Oct-02-22  TheBish: <OrangeTulip: In fact there�s one Columbo episode with a chess genius as the �gardner�>

Season 2, episode 7, titled "The Most Dangerous Match", aired on March 4, 1973, not too long after Bobby Fischer was crowned world champion. I remember seeing it many years ago in syndication, but don't remember anyone (especially the chess players) being a "gardner" or even a gardener. (I did a search of the second link which probably would have mentioned it, since it's most likely the wordiest write-up on this episode; or were you talking about another episode where the gardener is a chess player?)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt006990...

https://columbophile.com/2017/06/16...

Oct-02-22  boz: <thebish> I remember that episode. Yes, at the peak of the Fischer boom. Columbo out smarted the chess genius. I can only recall the scene where they are seated in a diner at a table with a checkered tablecloth and the chess master was making his point by moving the the salt and pepper shakers over the table like chess pieces.
Oct-02-22
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  saffuna: This was the key game in that episode: W Wolthuis vs C H Alexander, 1946
Oct-02-22  boz: Didn't know that. Great stuff <saffuna>!
Oct-02-22  Chessius the Messius: Columbo - Most Dangerous Match

https://youtu.be/YY1UnKY9RSM

Oct-02-22
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  MissScarlett: One of the weaker episodes of the older series. Peter Leko revealed that he'd been watching them during one of his commentary stints.
Oct-02-22  aliejin: "Obviously you don't really believe what you're saying, and are inventing a standard that's supposed to apply to one specific case only, but no others. That itself is immoral, so follow the reasoning from there. You seem to have condemned yourself."

All this paragraph is pure subjectivity and the most stupid Stupid is also drawing definitive conclusions
Anyway, Stupid must be the one who writes it

We must wait. In a short time all this matter will be cleared up Niema's career is over

Oct-02-22  DanLanglois: The big question, whether the world champion has hard evidence that shows Niemann has cheated, -- nope.
Oct-03-22  Petrosianic: <aliejin: All this paragraph is pure subjectivity and the most stupid Stupid is also drawing definitive conclusions Anyway, Stupid must be the one who writes it>

So your rebuttal is... nothing. Except that you don't like what was said. Unfortunately, no rebuttal at all doesn't get you off the hook. You are condemned by your own argument, and don't dispute it. Oh, but feel free to get as mad as you want.

Oct-03-22
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  MissScarlett: <Stupid is also drawing definitive conclusions [...] Niema's career is over>
Oct-21-22  Herr Stauffenberg: <DanLanglois> g4 because e4 will be capture with bishop or rook.

But, 30. a4 ?? Better, maybe, now gxf5.

Oct-21-22  Herr Stauffenberg: If exchange pawns...

29. gxf5 Rxd5 30. Rxe4 Rxf5 31. h4 Rh5 32. Rg4+ Kf6 33. f3 Nc4 34. a4 b5 35. axb5 axb5 36. Kf2 Ke5 37. e4 Kd4 38. Kg3 b4 39. Rg7 b3 40. Rxf7 b2 41. Rb7 Kc3 42. Kg4 Ra5 43. f4 h5+ 44. Kg3 Ra1 45. Rxb2 Kxb2 46. f5 Rg1+ 47. Kf4 Nd2 48. e5 Rf1+ 49. Kg5 Ne4+ 50. Kxh5 Rxf5+ 51. Kg4 Rxe5 52. h5 Nf6+ 53. Kh4 Rxh5+ 54. Kg3

Oct-21-22
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  fredthebear: The posts on this page have been carved out like a Thanksgiving turkey. It's no surprise who got to keep their posts.
Nov-02-22  newzild: Two months after the game, it's clear now that there is no evidence of Hans cheating in this or any other game over the board.

Will be interesting to see how the court case pans out.

Nov-02-22  ZoboBear 000000001: <newzild> agree.

The court case will take a long time to evolve though, given all the technical wrangling that will have to be ironed out.

Aside - I think the carving was for the good old Jack o' Lantern, it being first in the season.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...

.

Nov-02-22
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  yiotta: <newzild: Two months after the game, it's clear now that there is no evidence of Hans cheating in this or any other game over the board.> According to an employee of the former Los Angeles Chess Club, Hans was caught cheating in over the board tournaments (with cash prizes) and was expelled from the club. A report was filed with the USCF.
Nov-02-22
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  beatgiant: <yiotta>
Where did you see this news about the expulsion of Niemann from the LA Chess Club?
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