Sounds like we've got the plot for the next James Bond movie.

He later claimed that this and other antisemitic writings attributed to him were forgeries but it's kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so. I think the best you can say for him is that he may have been intimidated into writing them and wasn't stupid enough to believe what he was writing, and who knows how few of us would have the moral integrity to face a concentration camp instead of doing the same. In any case, it's collaboration, with or without mitigating circumstances. The basic premise of the article is also the basic nazi principle that Jews are a race, rather than a religion, despite the obvious fact that they are extremely genetically diverse (unless he's assuming that all Jews learn chess from the secret chess appendix to the "Protocols of Zion")

What other writings? Or are you simply referring to the <PZ> articles in their entirety?

I meant the whole series of articles published in Nazi Germany in 1941 and referred to as "Jewish and Aryan Chess", but it seems largely irrelevant to me since that single quotation says at all. I've noticed that his apologists do everything but quote the articles, talking about his Jewish friends, yada yada, just as people say "Fischer couldn't possibly have been antisemtic, he was half- (or full-, depending on the source) Jewish himself! Even Hitler had Jewish friends during his student days in Vienna, so what? Secondly his personal convictions have nothing to do with whether he would be willing to write or sign an antisemtic, pro-Aryan article under pressure. I know where this is leading because I saw your contribution to the effect that only a complete idiot could accuse Wagner of antisemitism, but, if you'll excuse me, I think the exact opposite is true. You have to be a total ignoramus not to recognize Alberich, the deformed, greedy, deceitful, scheming dwarf, as an obvious Jewish stereotype invented by the deformed,greedy, deceitful, scheming dwarf Wagner! His opposite, of course, is the arrogant bastard Siegfried who quite accurately reflects the Aryan ideal.

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The exact opposite is true - that wasn't my contribution.

Or with this proposition.

Tens of millions died in WWII. People were slaughtered like flies. You did what you had to do to get out alive.

No @#$%, Sherlock! You have this extremely insulting way of always assuming I have an IQ of 10. What I meant by "Kind of odd that he waited until after the war to do so" was a sardonic accusation that he was a collaborator and that he only claimed they were forgeries once the coast was clear and it was convenient to do so. If they had really been forgeries there would have been no risk in revealing them as such, even in the Nazi era, unless he had agreed to sign or write them as a form of collaboration. I know what WWII was, too, thank you very much for the explanation. If you take the trouble to read what I wrote, you'll find that I said: "I think the best you can say for him is that he may have been intimidated into writing them and wasn't stupid enough to believe what he was writing, and ***who knows how few of us would have the moral integrity to face a concentration camp instead of doing the same****". And, since this kind of explanation has apparently become necessary, when I say "who knows" I am not asking about the identity of a person who knows, it's an expression meaning "nobody knows". In any case, assuming that he was intimidated into writing/signing those articles is the generous interpretation, it's also entirely possible that he did it out of self interest in pursuit of material advantages or because he seriously believed in the Nazi ideology. After all, there were millions of people who sincerely believed that nonsense, just as there were millions who found Hitler to be a great orator, but I find him absolutely ridiculous. He could also have pretended to believe that crap for the same base motives, which is even worse.

<Chesterfield Cat>: "mad" means crazy, not stupid. Anyway, I meant no offense, sorry.

There you go again, I happen to know what "mad" means, too :-) I was referring to your extremely ungenerous interpretation of "Kind of odd that he waited until after the war" as though, instead of making an ironic accusation, I was really stupid enough to wonder why he waited until the end of the war to claim the articles were forgeries (duhhh...). Anyway, no problem, all I ask is that you please read my comment carefully before launching a baseless vitriolic attack, because most readers in this SMS generation have a 2-second attention span and never read anything beyond a couple lines so their "take-home" message is the criticism at the end of the thread, whether baseless or not.

I blame the Belgians.

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