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Alexander Alekhine vs Aron Nimzowitsch
"Excuse My French" (game of the day Dec-30-2015)
Bled (1931), Bled YUG, rd 6, Aug-30
French Defense: Winawer Variation (C15)  ·  1-0

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Dec-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Willber G: <OhioChessFan: If only we could be spared your daily whining about the pun of the day. This is beyond tiresome <morf>. Let it go. Really.>

This is quite ironic considering your repeated criticism of my pun chosen for our match against GM Naiditsch ("Suffering from c6-ness") months after the game had finished. Actually, it won the Pun of the Year award on here, so somebody liked it. ;-)

Dec-30-15  Zaiyetz: This reminds me of the Ryder gambit if white had played 9 Be3.
Dec-30-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: A battle over the merits of the puns? We need to create a meta-pun to describe this!

"Puns bitten, twice sly"?
"Pun-ic wars"?
"A tale of two witties"?
"Punster divisions at Stalingrad?"
"Har-mageddon"? Or is it "Armagigglepun"?

Dec-30-15  jith1207: c6-ness was an awesome pun! Keep it Punked!
Dec-30-15  jith1207: Those who usually complain only think about themselves. For example, Pun on chess players' names, however crappy it was, would help people like me to remember those players' name for that reason even if I had come across only a handful of times in my life. Similarly, Puns to games make it easier to remember some games, like that c6-ness. There could be so many reasons why some thing has become popular and CG is doing a right thing with the puns.

Of course, there would be puns which are not in good taste for someone but we just need to get over that and look at the bright spots. Yes, I would agree seeing same complaints over and over again on many GOTDs throughout the year and again in new year would really be tiresome too. I am with <OhioChessFan> on that, but I would not bother too much either if somebody does not like something and continues to express that. I would become numb to that when I see the same thing over and over and even in this page, I read that comment and moved on without seeing the Kibitzer name, even if that should have struck me without seeing. Just Get over what you don't like and get over what others don't like as well if the criticism is not taken lightly. As said, it is all fun and makes for a great forum to see each other's reactions and how human mind differs from skull to skull.

Dec-30-15
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  OhioChessFan: <Willber> who doesn't have the courage of their own contradictions? Anyway, your reference to my "repeated" criticism is what, exactly? Whatever that might be, I see three in the past 12 months but who's counting, hard to search it, as opposed to the almost daily rants <morf> engages in? As for yours, it was a good pun, and I said so long ago.
Dec-30-15  Abdel Irada: "Contradictions," "convictions": What's the difference?

Dec-31-15
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  Willber G: <OhioChessFan> I'm not counting, but I do remember a few, this one being from September, nine months after the game was won:

<Still hate the pun. "Hocus Pocus".....how could they <NOT> pick that........"Hocus Pocus" was the bomb.....and they didn't use it?!......alas.>

Anyway, each to their own, and HNY to everyone.

Dec-31-15
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  whiteshark: <beatgiant> No reason to punic.
Dec-31-15
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  thegoodanarchist: < perfidious: <morf> will need a cudgel to penetrate the skull belonging to that great genius of the middle country, aka <ohiyuk>.>

I gave up and put <OCF> on ignore. He might be smarter than Forrest Gump, but I am not convinced.

Dec-31-15
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  OhioChessFan: <tga: I gave up >

Yep, yep. I never get tired of winning. Never.

<and put <OCF> on ignore.>

I'm used to that from your side, both politics and religion. Can't stand the heat, run like a little girl from the kitchen.

<He might be smarter than Forrest Gump, but I am not convinced.>

Smart enough to waste you in debate. Next!

Dec-31-15
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  OhioChessFan: <jith: Just Get over what you don't like and get over what others don't like as well if the criticism is not taken lightly.>

Okay, I'll try that for 2016.

Dec-31-15  jith1207: Peace and cheers. it's new year already in some parts of the world. Happy 2016!
Mar-23-16
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  thegoodanarchist: <OhioChessFan: <tga: I gave up >

Yep, yep. I never get tired of winning. Never.>

That is actually unintentionally funny, since the topic under discussion was penetrating your "thick skull" (not my words! I am trying to be civil) See here:

Alekhine vs Nimzowitsch, 1931 (kibitz #85))

and here:

Alekhine vs Nimzowitsch, 1931 (kibitz #87)

Are you gloating that nothing got through?

<<and put <OCF> on ignore.>

I'm used to that from your side, both politics and religion. Can't stand the heat, run like a little girl from the kitchen.>

Only in your imagination. Acknowledging that it is a waste of time trying to reason with you on certain topics is not "running". Rather, it says more about you than me.

Don't you ever question why so many people on cg.com see it the same way as I do, e.g., <morfishine> & <perfidious> (to name just two), and no one steps up to agree that you won?

<<He might be smarter than Forrest Gump, but I am not convinced.>

Smart enough to waste you in debate. Next!>

To what are you referring? Maybe here:

jessicafischerqueen chessforum (kibitz #30969)

Or here:

jessicafischerqueen chessforum (kibitz #30971)

Mar-23-16  JimNorCal: Not Nimzo's finest hour.
Jul-24-16  torridd: Can someone explain why Nim didn't take the g2 pawn instead going to g6?
Jul-24-16  ughaibu: Maybe Bf4 and Rd1.
Aug-20-18  Sally Simpson: "Can someone explain why Nim didn't take the g2 pawn instead going to g6?"


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"If Black tries 12...Rxg2 the consequences of are catastrophic after 13.Bg5"

page 7. Vereslav (Viacheslav) Eingorn - 'Creative Chess Opening Preparation."

His suggested move looks very good as does 13.Bf4.

Regarding the opening Alekhine says 7.Bf4 Nf6 8. f3 is safer and The game G A Thomas vs Nimzowitsch, 1925 has been mentioned.

Eingorn thinks Nimzovitch had an improvement planned on the Thomas game possibly 11...Nc6. After 7.f3 his prep was dud whilst Alekhine had possibly looked at this shot beforehand.

Dec-31-18  bbruch: doesn't ...b-f3 provide some fight?
Dec-31-18
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  beatgiant: <bbruch>
White has 19...Bf3 <20. Qxg6+> followed by 21. Rxe5, coming out a rook ahead.
Dec-31-18
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  beatgiant: <bbruch>
Analyzing more carefully, it might go 19...Bf3 20. Qxg6+ Kxg6 21. Rxe5 Kxg5 22. Rxe6 Bc6 <23. Re7>. White threatens Rxc7 followed by Rcc8, piling up on the pinned knight. Black's two passed pawns are not far advanced enough to create real counterplay.
Dec-31-18
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  keypusher: <beatgiant> it hardly matters, but there is actually a mate in five beginning with 23.Rg8+:

23....Kf4 24.Ne2+ Kf3 25.Ng1+ Kf2 26.Nh3+ Kf3 27.Rg3# (SF).

Dec-31-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  beatgiant: <keypusher>
You're right. The players would have seen that. But you're also right that with two Black pieces out of play, it doesn't matter.
Aug-21-21  Bartleby: One of my favorite miniatures, in a variation I myself play against the Winawer French (4. Ne2). Nimzowitsch got severely punished for his pawn-grabbing, lagging development, and lack of king safety, ending with massacre on the dark squares. Seems the "dogmatists" of classical chess that Nimzo railed against, ala Tarrasch and Lasker, had some decent points about a properly conducted game too (not that Lasker was at all dogmatic, but he never would have abandoned so many opening principles here).

Alekhine's initiative was monstrous and this variation seemed tailor-made for him. Nimzowitsch could play very provocatively and out-maneuver quite a few masters but baiting one of the grandmasters of the attack this way spelt disaster.

Aug-28-22
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  kingscrusher: Blimey, it seems as though the online master databases don't feature the best move and underlying plan for this greedy variation by black.

Behold!

7.Qh5+ (idea of Qh3 next)

Check chessgames.com online DB here and instead there are the following moves explored:

Opening Explorer

7. f3 13
7. Bf4 5
7. Bc4 3
7. Be3 D Shagdurov vs V Khadzhiev, 2013 0-1


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This actually has a 70%+ win rate for White in the lichess online database - and yet ZERO masters have played it. Some very crushing ideas indeed with the Queen on g3- like later 0-0-0 Be2 and Qg3 when a direct h-pawn attack is strong if black castles Queenside.


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23: Alexander Alekhine - Aron Nimzowitsch 1-0 6.0, Bled Bled YUG 1931


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Analysis by Stockfish 15 - 3 threads max:

1. ± (1.26): 8...a6 9.Bf4 Qxd4 10.Qg3 Nc6 11.Bxc7 Nge7 12.Rd1 Qg7 13.Bc4 b5 14.Bb3 0-0 15.0-0 g5 16.Bd6 Rf7 17.Qe3 Ng6 18.Qb6 Bd7 19.Bxe6 Bxe6 20.Qxc6 Rc8 21.Qxa6

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