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Nov-21-03
 | | Chessical: Browne's 14.Bh6 was a true grandmasterly move, appreciating the complex interplay of the pieces. If 14...gxh6 15.Re5! Qd7 16.Rae1 Be6 17.d5! cxd5 18.Rxe6 fxe6 19.Qxh8+ winning |
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| Mar-25-05 | | Saruman: Truly 14.Bh6 is a very beautiful move. I would scarcely have found it in actual play. Strange though that I understood within a couple of seconds that Browne intended d5 after gxh6. |
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| Mar-25-05 | | RookFile: There's actually a story about 14. Bh6. Somebody, I think it was Zuckerman, revealed later that Bobby
Fischer had known about that move for
a long time before this game had been
played, but had never had the opportunity for this position to come up in one of his games. |
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| Jun-06-05 | | who: How would Bobby Fischer ever play that move, when he never played the Petroff as black, and as white always played 3.d4? |
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| Jun-07-05 | | clapperrail: <who> Fischer played 3. NXe5 at least three times as White. Against Bisguier in 1959, Gheorghiu in 1970 and Petrosian in 1971. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DanRoss53: If 14. gxh6?, then 15. ♖e5! ♕d6 16. ♖xf5 O-O 17. ♖e1 ♕g6 18. ♖f4 ♗d6 19. ♖fe4 ... or is there an even better line for White? At this time 8... ♘b4 was The Novelty (www.chesslive.de shows five amateur games before 1974), which is hard to believe considering how common it is for top GMs to use it. For example: White wins:
Kasparov vs I Sokolov, 2000
L Dominguez vs L Bruzon, 2005
Draw:
Leko vs Anand, 2000
Shirov vs Gelfand, 2001
Black Wins:
Shirov vs Karpov, 2002
Adams vs Bacrot, 2003
After 9. cxd5 ♘xd3 10. ♕xd3, White is +8 -1 =3 (79.2%) (see: Games Like Timman vs V Kovacevic, 1985) in this database. Does Black have a winning response to 9. cxd5!? that White rarely goes down that path? If not, why is 9. cxd5! so rarely used? |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DP12: The latest story that I know about c:d5 is the game Anand-Kramnik from 1999 where instead of Nc3 white played g4!? There are ways to equalize after both moves. You must understand 2 things. cd is excellent at our levels but from a strategic perspective is a ? because it isolates the pawn and gives away two bishops. If whites initiative fails, than has a serious problem. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DanRoss53: <DP12> Thanks! I didn't realise the "Games like..." option doesn't take transposition into account. Looking at Games Like Anand vs Kramnik, 1999, that specific line still favored White +8 -4 =9 (59.5%) -- which isn't overly significant. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DP12: The stats are not significant because you have to try to understand what is the ultimate status of the line. Defenders may have had trouble and therefore piled up many losses for a while and then found some good moves to defend the position. I can't recall how to improve the immediate Nc3 line for black but I guess c6 is probably the mistake. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DP12: The critical line appears to be Be6!?(instead of c6) Re5 Qc6! (Qd7 lead to disaster in the Glek game). Quite a tricky line and maybe good for lower level tournaments. Be6 seems like a good answer, after Qxc7 black plays Bd6 and then castles banking on his two bishops lead in develop and the lack of coordination in white's camp to secure equality. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DP12: Sorry for the posts but I just thought I would point out that g4!? instead of Nc3 seems to be a wild attempt to prevent this possibility of Be6 because black is forced to play Bg6 and therefore after Nc3 Nc3 Qc3 must find a different defensive scheme. |
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| Jul-26-05 | | DanRoss53: Thanks for your comments. Your line 13... ♗e6 14. ♖e5 ♕c6 was used here: Van der Wiel vs Short, 1985 -- quite an exciting finish by John Van der Wiel. |
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| Jul-27-05 | | DP12: Yes even if they equalize by playing exactly, it is still possible to play (really nice) chess as Van der Wiel shows. Bg5 is an important move denying black the two bishops. I doubt black was worse out of the opening but still its an interesting line to try out. Give it a try the next time you get a chance! I'll also try it and let you know what happens. |
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| Aug-02-05 | | DanRoss53: Two other games that reach the same position after 13... ♗e6 14. ♖e5 ♕c6: Ding Linlin vs S Petronic, 2001
A Giaccio vs J Pierrot, 2001
...both continue 15. d5 ♗xd5 16. ♕e1 ♕d7 17. ♗d2 f6 18. ♖xd5!? ♕xd5 19. ♗b4 sacrificing the Rook for initiative. Black loses in the first game with 19... ♕f7 and wins in the second with 19... c5 Karjakin also used this line in the U10 Championships in 2000 (not in the database): [Event "Wch U10"]
[Site "Oropesa del Mar"]
[Date "2000.10.11"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Karjakin,Sergey"]
[Black "Lintchevski,Daniil"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C42"]
1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘f6 3.♘xe5 d6 4.♘f3 ♘xe4 5.d4 d5 6.♗d3 ♘c6 7.0-0 ♗e7 8.c4 ♘b4
9.cxd5 ♘xd3 10.♕xd3 ♕xd5 11.♖e1 ♗f5 12.♘c3 ♘xc3 13.♕xc3 ♗e6 14.♖e5 ♕c6 15.♕e1 0-0-0 16.♗g5 ♗xg5
17.♘xg5 g6 18.♖c5 ♕d6 19.♖ac1 ♗d5 20.♕a5 b6 21.♖xc7+ ♕xc7 22.♖xc7+ ♔xc7 23.♕xa7+ ♗b7 24.♕a3 ♖he8
25.h3 1-0 |
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Oct-07-06
 | | lostemperor: Out of the most unexpected moves ever this 14. Bh6 must be a candidate. Bisguier must have been flabbergasted. Stacked, tagged and bagged! |
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| Oct-07-06 | | crwynn: The most difficult tactic for me, in this game, was not 14.Bh6 but 17.Ng5; actually I still can't figure it out. After 17...gh, does White still take on f7? All I can see after that is White ending up with a lone queen against two rooks and a bishop. |
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Oct-07-06
 | | Sneaky: <RookFile: There's actually a story about 14. Bh6. Somebody, I think it was Zuckerman, revealed later that Bobby Fischer had known about that move for
a long time before this game had been played> Does that mean that Fischer showed the idea to Browne, or was it an independent discovery? |
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| Oct-07-06 | | pawn to QB4: Hi CRWynn - how about 17...gh 18. Nxe6 fxe6 19.Rxe6 Rg7 20. d5 threatening 21.d6 and Qxg7? Possible reply 20...Kf8 runs into 21. Qxg7+ with a winning rook ending. Just a guess and I'll probably get shot down by some passing computer. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | WuTank: is it possible to set a mate with just rock and king? |
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| Oct-07-06 | | technical draw: <WuTank> Sure, just grab the opposing King and smash his head with the rock. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | aw1988: While drawnical draw is very funny, to be serious for a moment, yes, it is possible to mate with rook and king against king. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | RookFile: <Does that mean that Fischer showed the idea to Browne, or was it an independent discovery?> Browne spent a lot of time on the position, and actually found Bh6 over the board. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | aw1988: It's not impossible. Still a really good move, but with enough time a GM could find it. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | RookFile: <who: How would Bobby Fischer ever play that move, when he never played the Petroff as black, and as white always played 3.d4?> He played both 3. d4 and 3. Nxe5.
Fischer vs Gheorghiu, 1970 |
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| Oct-07-06 | | technical draw: Very funny..DRaw1988...LOL |
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