| Dec-28-04 | | Whitehat1963: Sitting champion employs the opening of the day to beat the player of the day. One of Botvinnik's better games, surprised no one has kibitzed about this one. |
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Dec-28-04
 | | beatgiant: <Whitehat1963>:
<surprised no one has kibitzed about this one.>
A very smooth positional win by Botvinnik. It's hard to see exactly how to improve for Black to save this after the opening. For example, 13...c5 14. dxc6(e.p.) Bxc6 15. 0-0-0 Ne8 16. Rdf1 also looks uncomfortable for Black.We need someone who knows this opening to kibitz here. |
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Dec-30-04
| | beatgiant: A possible slight improvement for Black is 16...Nxe4 17. fxe4 a5 18. c6 Bc8. This continuation would close the d3-h7 diagonal and so avoid the attack Botvinnik used in the game. White would still have a big space advantage and would probably eventually try to take advantage of the weakness of Black's queenside. After 16...a5? as actually played, I don't see any real hope for Black to save the game. |
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Dec-30-04
| | beatgiant: Someone who knows this opening may correct me, but at first glance the last chance for Black to get a decent position is 11...gxf5. By keeping the pawn structure more fluid, Black has some chances of activating his pieces. For example, 11...gxf5 12. g3 c5 13. dxc6(e.p.) bxc6 14. 0-0-0 Ne8. Black's pawn structure is weak, but at least it is not frozen as in the game. |
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| Mar-23-07 | | benba57: I agree with beatgiant: three years later. It seems that even good players today don't have anything to say about the basics of the modern. |
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| Dec-13-08 | | Rubenchik: Instructive game |
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| Nov-13-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Botvinnik vs C H Alexander, 1958
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF BOTVINNIK
Your score: 69 (par = 63)
LTJ |
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Sep-05-19
 | | keypusher: <beatgiant: Someone who knows this opening may correct me, but at first glance the last chance for Black to get a decent position is 11...gxf5.> Every Russian schoolboy knows that.
Lisitsin vs Botvinnik, 1944 |
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| Sep-05-19 | | wtpy: Keypusher, There are even old Americans who know it, but they probably learned it from someone who was once a Russian schoolboy. |
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Sep-05-19
 | | perfidious: Learnt a fair amount from Pachman's <Modern Chess Strategy> as a 15-1600 player, many moons ago--to me, playing less than twenty years after this game, the recapture with pawn would have been standard stuff. At 1400, without that bit of understanding? Who knows? As Einstein said, regarding standing on the shoulders of giants.... |
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Sep-05-19
| | keypusher: <wtpy> <perfidious> I hope you know I’m just teasing beatgiant — if you click on the linked game in my post you’ll see that he cited the “every Russian schoolboy” quote himself. Of course that was many years after his post about ...gf below. |
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| Sep-06-19 | | wtpy: Keypusher, I did click on the linked game (thanks!) but did not notice that Beatgiant cited the Russian schoolboy quote. I had an obnoxious high school teacher who used to say "perception is a sign of intelligence." Seems he was right. |
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Sep-06-19
| | keypusher: <wtpy> It's funny, he and I have both been on this site since 2004, or about a century in internet years. And I suspect we've both picked up a lot more chess erudition over that time. I can't play any better, but I can explain my defeats much more eloquently. |
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Sep-06-19
| | perfidious: Chess erudition for sure, but Ah sure as hail cain't play better'n ah use ta. Signed, life hasbeenusetawas |
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