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| Oct-08-03 | | AdrianP: <thekleinbottle> <benzol> Thanks for the above. Botvinnik's analysis looks pretty convincing. |
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| Jul-15-04 | | apple head: this is Kings Indain Defence |
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| Feb-05-05 | | DP12: I am using an old Fritz 6 and it got confused but that was good because it forced me to find the key move myself. My preliminary line runs 40...Rb3 41.Nc4 Kg7 42.d6 Kf6 43.h5 Rb4 44.h6!(Fritz wants to play the humble Ne5 which does not win) Rxc4 44. b7 Rb8 45.d7 Ke7 46.h7  Can anyone Fritz 8 it and improve my analysis. |
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Apr-23-05
 | | offramp: That line seems pretty convincing. Here is a similar one:
40...Rb3 41.Nc4 Kg8 42.d6 Kf7 43.h5 Rb1+ 44.Kf2 Rb4 45.d7 Ke7 46.h6 Rxc4 47.h7 Rxf4+ 48.Kg2 |
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| Sep-27-06 | | kevin86: This time,the great Tal made a wrong turn:( This battle of the "Mikes" went to Mr B. |
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| Sep-27-06 | | diavol: I got a totaly different line with Rybka 2.1, which I actually like a bit better since I get to keep the knight:
41...Kg7 42.b7 Rb3 43.Nd8 Rb1+
44.Kf2 Rb2+ 45.Ke3 Kf8 46.h5 Rb3 47.Kd4 Rb2 48. h6 Rb6 49.Kc3
Kg8 50.d6 a5 51.d7 Kh7 52.Nf7 With a mate visible in 15 |
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Jan-24-08
 | | maxi: Talking about ways to go wrong in a chess game: after 40.Nxd6 Rb3 41.Nc4 White has a straightforward win. It would seem at first sight that 41.Nc8 (with the same idea of protecting both advanced pawns) should also win. Actually it loses for White after 41.Nc8 Rc3!!! |
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| Mar-21-08 | | Knight13: 41. Nxf5 would've gotten messier. |
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| Apr-01-08 | | Eyal: Tal wrote that he calculated 41.b7 Rb3 42.Nf7+ Kh7 43.Nd8 a5 44.d6 a4 45.d7 a3 46.Nc6 a2 and Black wins, since White is mated immediately after his pawn queens (it's important to play 42...Kh7 in this line, since Kg8 would allow White to queen with check and Kg7 would allow Ne6 with check). But then Tal noticed that it is White who is winning by a simple transposition of moves with 41.Nf7+! (41...Kh7 loses now to 42.d7), and this indeed was the move sealed by Botvinnik. Shortly later, while going over the game with Koblents, Tal became very upset when he realized that he could have won by playing the other rook to c8 on move 34 (in which case the b7 pawn remains protected). Btw, Tal was going into this game - the 8th of the match - leading 5-2 (after winning games 1, 6 &7), so if he had won here as well Botvinnik's situation at the match would have become quite desperate at a very early stage. As it turned out, Botvinnik won the next game as well and set the score to 5-4. |
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Oct-17-08
 | | plang: The move order that Botvinnik used discouraged him playing 8 e4 because of the strength of 8..Re8. The pawn sacrifice 14 e4..Nfxd5 15 exd..Bxc3
16 Qxc3..Rxe2 17 Bh6..Re5 is unclear and if 18 f4 then 18,,Nxd5. Tal spent almost half an hour on the dubious pawn sacrifice 14..c4?. He could not make 14..Re5 or 14..Nfxd5 work. However, he felt that 14..Bf5 15 e4..Bd7 would have been acceptable. Tal felt that the position of the White queen on a2 justified 19..f5? but after the game both he and Botvinnik were critical; Botvinnik recommending 19..b5 and Tal 19..Nf6. Botvinnik felt that 27 exd..Qxd4
28 Rf2..Rxe2 29 Qc3 would have been an elementary win for White. In addition, Tal offered 27 Rad1..Ba7..Ncb6 as stronger that Botvinnik's 27 Nab6?. |
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| Jan-02-09 | | Rubenchik: Interesting game |
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| Oct-10-09 | | gharigac: why resgined?
what is the problem after 41)....kg7 42)d6 kxn 43)b6 Rb3 44)d7 Kf2 & white loosing easly!! |
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| Mar-20-10 | | blindside: what about 30....Qxh4? does that lead to a quick win for tal |
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| Aug-25-12 | | Cemoblanca: 19...f5?! & 20...g5?! = Latvian Roulette
:D Joking aside: I guess it was really difficult for Misha to find something better in this unclear position! The White pawns on a5 & d5 have totally paralyzed the Black position! So in my opinion: If you play "Latvian Roulette", then please do it properly, for example he should immediately play 20...f4!?, because at any rate will follow 21.Nc4. Here is a possible continuation: 21...fxe3! 22.fxe3 b5!? 23.axb6 Nxb6 24.Nxe5 Rxe5 (a very bad thing would be 24...dxe5??, because of the passed pawn on the d-file). Nevertheless, a good game by "Mr. Coldplay"! ;0) >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWL... |
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| Aug-25-12 | | SimonWebbsTiger: A few remarks to some comments:
19...f5? "The beginning of an unjustified plan. The idea which prompted it was the remote position of white's queen....19...Nf6!" (Tal) "Botvinnik had examined 30...Qxh4 31. Qc3 followed by Qe1, but black does not have to lose any time capturing the h-pawn." (Tal) From the classic book of the match by Tal. |
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| Aug-27-12 | | Cemoblanca: <SimonWebbsTiger> Thanks Dude! |
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| Jun-06-14 | | zydeco: From Tal's book on the match:
Tal planned 14.....Re5 15.Bf4 Rf5 with all kinds of ideas of sacrifices on the kingside but realized that instead of 16.g4 white can play positionally with 16.Nde4 when the rook on f5 is badly misplaced. "For some reason, I suddenly ceased liking black's position and with sorrow decided to sacrifice a pawn [i.e. 14....c4]," writes Tal but actually black is perfectly solid after 14.....Bf5 15.e4 Bd7 followed by ....Nc8. Tal thinks that he would have had compensation for the pawn after 19....Nf6 with kingside piece play. On move 23, black has crazy ideas of ....Bxh2+ followed by ....Rxe3 followed by ....Qh6+, ....g3, and ....Qxe3+ with at least a draw. Botvinnik shuts it down with 24.g3. 26....Rb8 is a kind of trap. Black wants to move his knight out of the way once white plays Nb6. Tal thinks white should have played sharply with 27.exd4 Qxd4+ 28.Rf2 Rxe2 29.Qxc3 or 27....Rxe2 28.Qd3 but Tal was fairly confident that Botvinnik wouldn't step into those kinds of complications. Suddenly black has the initiative. White could have retained his advantage with 34.Rd4 Nxc3 35.Bd3. 35.Rc1 is a blunder which would have lost to 35.....Rec8. Tal played very quickly (in Botvinnik's time trouble) over the last five moves of the first session, convinced that he was winning -- and passed up several chances to secure a draw (38....Rb8, 40....Kg8). As soon as he started home analysis, he found 41.Nf7+. "Koblentz and I began to play through the game and in the process of analysis we simultaneously discovered that black could have forced a win on his 34th move with 34....Rec8. There was nothing to say [actually, in his 'Life and Games,' Tal writes that 'various unprintable words were uttered'] and we didn't sleep a wink the whole night. It seemed as if my spirit had been hopelessly broken." |
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| Mar-14-21 | | tessathedog: Perhaps the best sealed move in the history of world championship chess matches. Jusupov highlights this as an example of "the comparison method". |
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| May-21-21 | | Johnnysaysthankyou: I’m pretty sure this game was a Russian forced resignation. For after 41.Kg7 b7 42. Rb3 Nd8 and then bringing the king in, black is winning. Tal was probably playing above the meter like he always was and was forced to resign to make the match “more fair”. |
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May-21-21
 | | beatgiant: <Johnnysaysthankyou>
Welcome back to the site!
The final position of course is winning for White. For example 41... Kg7 42. b7 Rb3 43. Nd8 Kf8 <44. h5> and if Black's king approaches the queenside, White wins with the h-pawn. |
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| Jan-20-25 | | DaeWang: After 24 g3 I see for black the plan R(e8) g8 ... g6 ... h6 and ... Qf5 ... Qh5. It's slow, but how does W defend? |
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Jan-20-25
 | | keypusher: < DaeWang: After 24 g3 I see for black the plan R(e8) g8 ... g6 ... h6 and ... Qf5 ... Qh5. It's slow, but how does W defend?> I would guess a number of ways, but with the queen on h5 White has h2-h4. SF has White about +2 on a shallow search after 24.g3. |
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Jan-20-25
| | keypusher: <Johnnysaysthankyou: I’m pretty sure this game was a Russian forced resignation. For after 41.Kg7 b7 42. Rb3 Nd8 and then bringing the king in, black is winning. Tal was probably playing above the meter like he always was and was forced to resign to make the match “more fair”.> In reality (where we all have to live or at least visit from time to time), Botvinnik's WC opponents were not forced to resign in winning positions. |
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| Jan-20-25 | | The Rocket: Incredibly, Botvinnik lost his winning advantage after 30.. gxh4?? What usually happens when strong players make obviously weak moves is that they calculate the wrong principal line, that justify their doubled edged move. In other words overthinking.... Botvinnik had a very nice finish to this game but his blunder was quite bad. |
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| Jan-20-25 | | FM David H. Levin: <<DaeWang>: After 24 g3 I see for black the plan R(e8) g8 ... g6 ... h6 and ... Qf5 ... Qh5. It's slow, but how does W defend?> On 24...Rg8, I'd imagine White would play <25. f4> as in the game. After <25...gxf3 26. Rxf3>, 
click for larger viewWhite seems to have time to defend the h2-square laterally if need be. So, Black might instead prepare a sacrifice at g3: <26...Qh4 27. Kg2 Nf6 28. Nab6 Ne4> 
click for larger view(If now 29. Nxa8, then 29...Bxg3 might be challenging.) <29. Nxe5 dxe5> (If now 30. Nxa8, then 30...f4 seems murky.) <30. d6> (Threatening 31. Qxg8+ and 32. gxh4.) <30...Rg7 31. Rc1> 
click for larger view<31...Nxd6 32. Nxc8 Rxc8 33. Rxc8+ Nxc8 34. Qe6>, 
click for larger viewand the loss of Black's e-pawn should spell the end of Black's attack. |
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