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Jul-10-23
 | | HeMateMe: Does RxP also transpose to a win? If black takes the Queen he'll still be mated by N + R. |
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Jul-10-23
 | | scormus: If this hadn't been Monday, I might not have looked for the Q-sac. Though I suppose 20 Rxf7 would also "count", as well as winning quickly. |
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| Jul-10-23 | | goldfarbdj: Tough for a Monday. I kept trying to sac the queen on h7 and getting nowhere. |
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Jul-10-23
 | | Teyss: Easy only if you know the pattern, for instance thanks to these two game collections:
Game Collection: Qg6!/...Qg3!
Game Collection: Qg3/Qg6! |
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Jul-10-23
 | | perfidious: <Teyss: Easy only if you know the pattern....> Very definitely. |
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| Jul-10-23 | | parch2: Seen this game before, but did not get 20.Qg6 then. |
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| Jul-10-23 | | Vermit: For some reason I only considered 20.Qg6 fxg6 21.f7+ but that is clearly winning as well. |
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Jul-10-23
 | | dorsnikov: It's a known fact that Bronstein was forced to draw with Botvinnik in the 1950 World champion match. Bronstein should have been World Champ. |
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Jul-10-23
 | | plang: "Known fact?!? |
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| Jul-10-23 | | Hercdon: Another lost Monday |
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| Jul-10-23 | | scruggs: Missed a queen sacrifice on a Monday Oh my |
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| Jul-10-23 | | saturn2: Effective and well known blow |
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Jul-10-23
 | | chrisowen: Mariner q awe its hop buffet its ze c i accord jack ie angled its odd Qg6 get again ask i Qg6 co it :) |
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| Jul-10-23 | | landshark: I found 20 Qg6.
Missed the simplest (typical of me!) follow up to 20... fxg6 namely 21 Rg7+ as in the game, instead seeing a win with 21 f7+ as follows:
21... Kh7
22.fxe8(Q) Rc6 to prevent Qxf6 mating
23.Qf7 with inevitable mate.
My seemingly insurmountable task in chess is to find the simple, clean way to close the deal - letting opponents escape from dead lost positions more than I care to admit... |
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| Jul-10-23 | | NoChessPlayer: Rxf7 also works as mate in 3 |
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| Jul-10-23 | | johnnydeep: <sigh> Missed it. Too tricky for me on this easy Monday. Obvious in retrospect of course. |
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Jul-10-23
 | | ajk68: <NoChessPlayer: Rxf7 also works as mate in 3> No. It's a mate in 6. There's some hopeless piece sacrifices to extend it. The real hinge of the mate is what to do after Re4. In this case QxR, and continue with the mate pattern. |
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| Jul-10-23 | | NoChessPlayer: <ajk68>
You're right! |
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| Jul-10-23 | | Rosbach: I did feel worried I wouldn't be able to solve this 'easy puzzle'. I had to put away and look again later finally after 5 minutes I did find Qg6. Phew! |
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Jul-10-23
| | dheilke: I went for (and SF obliged) the Total Genocide variation: 20. Rxf7 Rc7 21. Rxc7 Nd7 22. Rxd7 Re7 23. Rxe7 Qd8 24. Rxg7+ Kf8 25. Ne6+ Ke8 26. Nxd8 Kxd8 27. Qxd5+ Kc8 28. Bxe3 Kb8 29. Bxa7+ Kc8 30. Be3 Kb8 31. Bxh6 Kc8 32. Qg8# Of course 20. ... Re4 is the more "human" defense, but it provides no relief: 20. Rxf7 Re4 21. Rxg7+ Kf8 22. Ne6+‼ Rxe6 (22. .... Ke8 23. Re7#) 23. Qh7 and mate-in-1 as h8 cannot be defended, and there are no spite checks! I admit that I missed Qg6, too! But, even if I had seen it, I think the rook variation is more beautiful... |
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| Jul-31-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: What did Geller intend after
20. Qe2
which threatens
21. Qg2 ? |
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| Jul-31-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: For example,
20. Qe2 Rc6 21. Bb2 Nc4 22. Qg2 g6 23. Nxg6 |
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| Jul-31-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: 20. Qe2 Qc5 21. Qg2 e2+ 22. Kh2 exf1=N+ 23. Kh1 g6 24. Nxg6 Ng3+ 25. Qxg3 Rxc1+ 26. Kh2 Rc2+ 27. Kh1 Re1+ 28. Qxe1 Rc1 29. Rb8+ Nc8 30. Rxc8+ Qxc8 31. Ne7+ Kh7 32. Nxc8 Rxe1+ and wins |
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| Nov-15-23 | | tibone: I wanted to play 20. Rxa7 which is a blunder (20. Rxa7 Qxa7 21. Qxc3 e2 a) 22. Rf2 e1=Q+ -+
b) 22. Re1 Na4+ -+
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| Nov-15-23 | | tibone: besides, 20. Rxa7 Qc5! -+ |
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