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Vasily Smyslov vs Garry Kasparov
Moscow-4teams (1981), Moscow URS, rd 2, Feb-??
English Opening: Symmetrical Variation. Hedgehog Defense (A30)  ·  0-1



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Jan-20-14  RookFile: Of course I have. Some have reported losing 5 pounds after a game. If you say it's not boxing, that's fine, just concede that chess is a long grueling grind that saps a lot of energy out of you. Next.
Jan-20-14  SChesshevsky: <One of Fischer's points, from his original article, was that the prearranged draw means that both players don't have to put the work into preparing for the game, and save on energy during the game.>

If that's the point it would seem to make more sense for a Russian to lose games by order than draw. The energy savings would be equivalent and it would more assuredly determine an outcome. On that point, I've always suspected that kind of influence was a reason for Keres poor play in that 1940's world champ tourney that Botvinnik won. I didn't notice any compelling evidence that the same possible shenanigans occurred in Curacao though.

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  Richard Taylor: < SnoopDogg: <Smyslov looks like a patzer here. Maybe around 1800 strength. Haven't looked at much of his other garbage, but this is terrible.>

I think your confusing Smyslov's games with your posts. >

Smyslov was a relatively old man then he won the world championship in 1954 by beating Botvinnik. His games in his book show some amazing combative games, beautiful combinations, and his endgames are great.

He was one of the greatest players to have sat down to play a game.

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  Richard Taylor: In fact he was 60! I challenge you to play as well as he did at that age! Kasparov retired when he was in his 40s!
Jan-20-14  morfishine: Excellent game by both sides. An interesting try at the end is <28.Rh2> as White tries to wiggle out:

28...Bxg3 29.Qd8+ Kh7 30.Rg2 Bxg2 31.fxg3 Qxg3 32.Qxd6 Qe1+ 33.Kh2 and finally, Black runs White through with <33...Bd5>

Jan-20-14  ughaibu: RookFile: whoever it is that "reported losing 5 pounds after a game", unless they're talking about pounds sterling or a correspondence game, they are obviously lying (unless, of course, "after a game" means 'in the months following a game'). Link me to a reputable site which explains the physiology by which a person can lose so much weight during one game.
Jan-21-14  RookFile: Just water weight, my friend, too much coffee and some trips to the bathroom. I don't think that Richard Simmons is feeling threatened. On the other hand, chess is a grind. We all know this, next you'll be trying to convince me that scoresheets aren't used during events.
Jan-21-14  ughaibu: So, if you drink a lot of liquid before playing a game of chess, then while playing drink a diuretic, such as coffee, you will lose some weight of retained water. Regardless of whether or not the amount of weight could realistically equal five pounds, are you seriously trying to contend that drinking coffee and taking a few pisses is equivalent to fifteen rounds of boxing?
Jan-21-14  RookFile: Evidently, we need to repeat statements. If you say it's not boxing, that's fine, just concede that chess is a long grueling grind that saps a lot of energy out of you. Next.
Jan-21-14  ughaibu: The shortest draws at Curacao were played by Filip, didn't help him much, did it? He came equal last, with Tal, despite playing six more games than him. However, the most short draws, defining a short draw to be no more than twenty five moves, were played by Petrosian. Petrosian played sort draws with everyone, including two with Fischer, except for Tal and Korchnoi, in case anyone should be unaware of the facts, both Tal and Korchnoi were Soviets. But Petrosian won the tournament, so maybe there is something to the theory that tournaments are won by those who drink the least coffee and spend the least time in the toilet (somebody should point this out to Topalov).

How about the 1959 candidates tournament? The least coffee and pissing award goes again to Petrosian. Final position; third. The 1956 candidates? LCP prize to Smyslov, winner of the tournament. So, the theory strikes back, like a boxer in the fifteenth round. The 1953 candidates tournament? Smyslov wins again! Both the LCP and the tournament: 3-1 to the theory. Mind you, as five of Smyslov's eleven short draws were in the final five rounds, it's difficult to know what he was conserving his energy for. Perhaps he was just plain worn out by all the earlier coffee and pissing? Anyway, the 1950 candidates; LCP and wooden spoon to Flohr. Not a bad result for the theory; 3-2, but to see if the results are statistically relevant, I think we should do the interzonals next. Any volunteers? RookFile?

Jan-22-14  RookFile: Thank you, I decline the coffee gambit.
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Qoute Spasskij:

Let us get back again to bygone days. The tournament in Bucharest in January 1953… For the first time the chess world heard your name. As if using the Time Machine I am returning to the distant past: I am sitting at home with my elder brother analysing your victory against Smyslov. To tell the truth, I did not know chess notation well at the time…

This was my first trip abroad to a chess tournament, and it was in Bucharest where I made the International Master’s norm. Paradoxically, it was Soviet Power that helped me win the title! The tournament started with the ‘massacre’ among the Soviet chess players. Petrosyan won against Tolush, I defeated Smyslov, and after the 7th round Laszlo Szabo was leading the field. Suddenly there came a telegram from Moscow ordering us to stop shedding our own blood and insisting that we should draw all our games between ourselves. Luckily, I had already scored a point against Smyslov, but I think, taking into account my youth and lack of experience, that it would have been difficult for me to make draws with such grandmasters as Boleslavsky and Petrosyan. However, this order from the Kremlin helped me, everybody obeyed it and so I became an International Master.

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  perfidious: <hedgeh0g: <Smyslov looks like a patzer here. Maybe around 1800 strength.>

Since when is someone with a rating of 1800 considered a "patzer"?>

In the years since this kibitz, we have learnt that 2700+ players are also believed to be patzers by some posters here.

Apr-06-14  Assignment Troll: <<we have learnt that 2700+ players are also believed to be patzers>>

Here's a list

Time to get some addresses and start egging houses.

Apr-07-14  RookFile: I think Kasparov's play was ridiculously brilliant in this game. Smyslov wins the exchange, yet Kasparov sees that he's better? I know I've never done as anything as deep as what Kasparov did here. If white has some terrific defense, you really can't fault Smyslov for not finding it.
Apr-24-14  sicilianhugefun: Bobby Fischer strongly stated that the first world championship match between Karpov and Kasparov were mostly pre-arranged.. It sounds outrageous initially, but who are we to judge the Chess understanding of probably the greatest Chess player who ever walked on this planet. This argument of Bobby created more sense when I've come across an in depth interview with Boris Spassky ( also a legend) wherein he shares Fischer's perception about the Karpov- Kasparov world championship match only this time it was the 1990 WCC. I have enormous respects and admiration for the two K's, though on the other hand speculations from two previous World champions can't simply be discarded at all.
Apr-24-14  Petrosianic: <Bobby Fischer strongly stated that the first world championship match between Karpov and Kasparov were mostly pre-arranged..>

Not quite. In fact, you've neutered the claim so severely as to have misstated it. Fischer claimed that a) <every> game of every Karpov-Kasparov and Karpov-Korchnoi match was pre-arranged move for move, b) that he could prove it, and c) that he was going to write a book to do just that.

If you really believe that for the reason you stated, that you find it impossible to disregard speculation from legends, I would urge you strongly to think for yourself.

And of course Fischer himself did not call it speculation. He called it fact.

<This argument of Bobby created more sense>

I'm afraid you're mistaken again. He offered no argument at all, good or bad. Only a claim.

<It sounds outrageous initially, but who are we to judge the Chess understanding of probably the greatest Chess player who ever walked on this planet.>

Well, for that matter, who are you to question the judgment of anyone rated higher than you are? If you're lower rated than I am, you've practically invited me to disregard whatever you say.

<I have enormous respects and admiration for the two K's, though on the other hand speculations from two previous World champions can't simply be discarded at all.>

In that case, you're trapped in a contradiction then. Fischer called Karpov, Korchnoi and Kasparov "the lowest dogs around". Therefore by respecting them, you're disrespecting and disregarding Fischer. Sometimes it just isn't possible to agree with everybody.

Apr-27-14  sicilianhugefun: Zip it Petrosianic....
Apr-27-14  Petrosianic: Since you've conceded every point without argument, there's nothing more to say.
Apr-28-14  sicilianhugefun: It seems that when you were deprived of sufficent attention from people since you were a child, which is why your kibitzing goes like that. Don't pretend to be an all-knowing pathetic whatever. Whatever I say is none of ur bizness if you'll respond to it in a harsh manner petrosianic.
Apr-28-14  Petrosianic: <sicilianhugen> Hush, little one. You conceded every point, that's the end of it.
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  ToTheDeath: Smyslov takes a hot exchange and gets burned. This is a great lesser known Kasparov game.
May-04-15  Poulsen: <sicilianhugefan> Bobby Fischer - putting all his skills in chess aside - was an immature teenager inside a mans body - ignorant, prejudicial and naive. And pretty much every damn thing he ever said or claimed - not strictly concerning the checkered board was - with a very few exceptions - a load of @#$%*&!# - and not only can - but MUST be disregarded.

We may like what he produced on the chessboard - but other than that it is a shame, that a person like Fischer ever came to fame and glory.

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  keypusher: Here's a suggestion. Given that this is one of Kasparov's great early games, talk about Bobby Fischer somewhere else.
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  ToTheDeath: I love that this massive attack ends with the quiet prophylactic move ...h6, a nice luft emphasizing White's helplessness to the imminent assault.
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