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Jul-04-06 | | ganstaman: Another view: I see strategy as static while tactics are dynamic. That is, freeze a position and look at what's going on, how things are interacting, pawn structure. That's strategy. Tactics are the pieces actually moving, getting from one position to another. If you play over a Tal game, you'll see a lot of crazy tactics. But if you look at a position from Tal's games, you'll see his great strategy -- good development, open lines, etc. In the end, the best move is the best move no matter how you classify it. But you should understand strategy and tactics if you want to give yourself the best chances of winning. One more thing I just thought of (really the same thing I've been saying): Computers are great at tactics because it involves moving the pieces, and the computer can analyze every possible move. When the computer evaluates the positions to determine which move is best, it uses strategy (pawn structure, mobility, king safety, ability to attack, space, etc, etc). |
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Jul-04-06 | | square dance: <ganstaman> what you're saying about strategy isnt really true. you're talking about static and dynamic elements of the position and applying the names tactics and strategy where they dont belong. |
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Jul-04-06 | | Confuse: <MrMelad> im glad that example helped : ) have a nice july 4th everyone! |
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Jul-04-06 | | MrMelad: Thank you people for defining the words, but can you please recomend on a site/text (and provide a link if possible) that teaches those aspects in the game itself? I want to answer all of the questions I have - what is regarded as best pawn structure (minimum pawn islands?), where is space more important then material, what kind of opening is best for what kind of play, development at a cost of a pawn etc... And, I would like to know more about middle and end-games tactics and strategies.. I know it's a lot, but all I need is one link :) |
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Jul-04-06 | | KingG: <MrMelad> No link is going to answer those questions for you. The best thing you can do is play over some well annotated games and gradually get a feel for these things. And of course by playing games yourself and trying stuff out. There are many books you can buy that try explain some of these things, but it's difficult to recommend anything in particular. The best i can find in terms of internet sources are: 1)http://www.chesscafe.com/archives/a...
There are loads of interesting articles on there. Read the articles by Heisman(Novice Nook) for beginner stuff, and Dvoretsky(The Instructor) for more advances articles. But everything is worth looking at. 2)http://www.exeterchessclub.org.uk/c...
3)http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess.h... |
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Jul-04-06 | | MrMelad: <KingG> Thank you! As always you are very informative, I appriciate it very much :) |
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Jul-04-06 | | MrMelad: <kingG> Heisman's articles are extremely helpful. For novices like me it's going to make a diffrence.
Again - thank you! |
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Jul-04-06 | | RookFile: Well, to understand schematic thinking in the endgame, get a book by Mark Dvoretsky. He talks about this in great depth. Dvoretsky talks about Capablanca walking by a group of master analyzing some endgame. The masters are all standing there, calculating variation after variation. Capablanca just shakes his head, and says, no, no, you're thinking about this all wrong. Here, let me show you. So, he just takes all the white pieces off the board, and then puts them back on the board where they need to be: knight on d4, King on c3, pawns on these certain squares, etc. Then he says - this is what white needs to do - the move order to get here isn't necessarily important in this relatively quiet endgame. This is schematic thinking. |
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Jul-04-06 | | MrMelad: <Rookfile> I see.. But did he (Capa) give any critiria for his "best board" arrangement or he used his instincts as allways? I'm a science lover (could be my nick name in jail :-) - I need the equations and formulations rather then the philosophy! :) |
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Jul-04-06 | | RookFile: Well, that's a topic that endgame maestroes have gone on for chapters at at time, so it doesn't seem like we can do it justice here. |
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Jul-08-06 | | alicefujimori: <lopezexchange><you are too hostile and impolite for conversation. If you werent perhaps some meaningful exchange could occur.>Hostile? Rightfully calling your baseless accusations crap is being hostile? <You are obviously a Kasparov fan that cant stand the fact he lost and look for excuses and use abusive language toward any who dont worship Kasparov.>Yeah right. I'm one of those people in cg who regarded that Kasparov forfeited his title in 1993. Does a Kasparov fan do such a thing? I definitely like going over Kasparov's games, but I'm definitely not his fan. He hasn't done that many things ethically and right to warrant such a recognition from me. Besides, those stuff that I told you about, they're not made-up excuses. They'd actually happened and it has even being discussed before either on this page or in Kasparov's page. So next time please do your homework before barking at other people. By the way, the one that actually have a biased opinion against Kasparov and uses abusive languages is you. Just look at your abusive languages by you to <TommyC> at the Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 page when he pointed out your childlish, groundless accusations. |
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Jul-11-06 | | lopezexchange: I analyse chess, not get into mud throwing contests with people online, dear Alice. If you like to discuss certain chess positions we may have something to discuss. You missed the point in the game you refered to as well. |
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Jul-11-06 | | RookFile: I was looking at a version of MCO the other day, and DeFirminian labelled Kasparov's 19.... Nh4 as dubious. |
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Jul-11-06 | | lopezexchange: 19...Nh4 is not that bad. But the draw back is that it diverts Blacks Queen to the kings side, and then he loses time bringing it back to the queen side for defense. However, Black was a tad crowded so maybe some exchanges were necessary. But you have a point, the move may not be the soundest.
That whole trip with the knight was dubious: wasting so many tempos, just to induce one traded of knights wasted time. |
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Jul-11-06 | | RookFile: It's a tough problem. I think Kasparov was afraid of Nh2 and Ng4, and wanted to get that knight off the board. |
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Jul-11-06 | | lopezexchange: I think that once 18...Nh7 was played, 19...Nh4 was innevitable. For better or worse.
the 18th move was weak and gave DB a big positional advantage.
Also weak was 23...c4 as it gave the g1-a7 diagonal to white.
Karpov said after 34...f6 black is lost. I think black was lost even earlier: 33...Bxf5 was a bad, bad move, giving white winning advantage. Correct was 33.Nxf5, but even though this doesnt lose outright, it still gives white a big lead. Black played the opening very badly and then was outplayed positionally by DB. |
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Jul-15-06 | | MrMelad: <lopezexchange:> In your profile you stated your rating is 3600.. Funny stuff. :) Are you Morphy's incarnation? |
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Jul-15-06 | | lopezexchange: MrMelad,
look at my chess analysis. ;-))
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Jul-16-06 | | MrMelad: <lopezexchange> Something about you reminds me of Vladimir Kramnik.. I must be way off :) For the chess analysis, I wish I was in the same level as you, I don't begin to imagine myself critisising Kasparov or the powerfull Deep-Blue. The only thing I ever thought in relate to those two, was that when Kasparov played 7..h7 in the last game and lost dreadfuly, I thought that this was a move even I wouldn't have made... I'm rated about 1600-1900 in playchess.com (Yesterday was a good day, I've beaten a 2100 guy twice in a row and he run like a little girl :-) , I don't think players of my caliber (I can't even call myself a Patzer!) should analyize games that a reigning WC plays in... |
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Jul-16-06 | | lopezexchange: Mr. Melad,
on the contrary. You should analyse any games. In fact championship games are very good for improving, because then you see high calibre chess and can learn a lot from it. 7...h6 was a bit ambiguos at the time. Yes, some crushing defeats for black, but it was thought Db wouldnt sac the knight on e6. All other computers at the time were replying Ne4 which leaves black with a good opening development and no structural problems. Kasparov might have tried it to trick the computer, but Dbs opening book was better than expected and he got himself in a desperate positing quite quickly.
At any rate, even if he played 7...Bd6 the theory leads to a small advantage for white in the opening with a pretty open game, where Db excells and Kasparov would have had to defend OTB a position he never played before with black, while being tired. It was a wrong opening choice even without the 7...h6.
Check out the first game. I will post a way for DB to draw the game soon. Cheers,
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Jul-17-06 | | SnoopDogg: Instead of 34. f6? Kasparov should have played 34. e4!! with terrific chances for counterplay on the dark squares. click for larger viewThis is probably the only way to defend the position from here. Black could have saved himself from cramped positions with the earlier 28. a5! as well. Black wouldn't be held to passive defence with 34. e4!! and instead could generate promising counter play on white's structural weaknesses and many holes on the kingside and center. In fact Black could be able to win if Deep Blue slipped up positionally. Notice if black black tries to attack with f6 (probably what Kasparov was fearing) then Qe5! with very active play. White's position is clearly overextended, although I can't find an engine that really agrees with me but after a few moves I find out it has absolutely no idea what's going on. I hate giving long lines because I feel that really isn't "anaylsis" that's just plugging into Fritz and passing it off as your own work. But if anyone feels free to ask questions about certain lines they can't find with their engines I'll be happy to give promising lines. |
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Jul-17-06 | | Hesam7: <SnoopDogg> can you defend Black after 34... e4 35. Qf4 ? |
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Jul-19-06 | | lopezexchange: 34...e4? 35.Qf4,Rd8; 36.f6,gxg6; 37.Qg3+,Kh8; 38.Bd4,Bg7; 39.Rf1,Qe7; 40.Qh4,Kg8; 41.Kh1,a5; 42.Bxf6,Bxf6; 43.Rxf6,Qe5; 44.Qxh6,bxa4; 45.bxa5,Qg3; 46.Bd1,Rab8; 47.Rf4,f5; 48.Raf2,Qg7; 49.Qe6+,Qf7; 50.Rg4+,fxg4; 51.Rxf7,Nxf7; 52.Bxa4,gxh3; 53.gxh3,Rd6; 54.Qe4,
1-0 the rest is just technique.
34...e4? only precipitates blacks defeat.
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Jul-26-06 | | JustWoodshifting: Try this for a perpetual check:
45.---Q-e3
46. Q-d7+ --- K-g8
47. Qxd6 --- R-f8
48. Q-e6+ --- K-h7
49. B-f3 --- Q-c1+
50. K-f2 --- Q-d2+
51. B-e2 --- Q-f4+
52. K-e1 --- Q-c1+
53. K-f2 --- Q-f4+
54. K-g1 ad infinitum
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