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| Sep-17-03 | | hickchess99: if 16.Kg2 then ...Qxe3 and then what's white to do? black has the pawn center and a minor piece advantage. i consider that more than a slight advantage |
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| Sep-17-03 | | unclewalter: hickchess, remember, black sacrificed a rook. so after Qxe3, he has a bishop and 2 pawns for it. you're right, it should be winning for black, but there's still some technique involved. he hasnt won yet. |
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| Sep-17-03 | | hickchess99: what is white gonna do about the a7-g1 diagonal? |
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| Sep-17-03 | | crafty: 16. ♔g2 ♕xe3 17. ♘c3 ♗xc3 18. bxc3 ♕e4+ 19. ♔g1 ♘f3+  (eval -2.75; depth 15 ply; 500M nodes) |
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Sep-17-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: Seeing the position after the 14th move of white I have been reckoning another line after 14...Rxf3+ 15.Kxf3 Nxe5+ 16.Kf4. Black could have play also 16...g5+ 17.Kxg5 (17.Kxe5 Bd6+ 18.Kf6 Qd8#; 17...Qxe3+ 18.Kf6 Bd7 seems to be sufficient too.) 17...Qxe3+ 18.Nf4 (18.Kf6 Nd7#; 18.Kh4 Qh6# 18.Kh5 Qf3+ 19.Kg5 Qg4+ with mate in next move.) 18...Nf3+ 19.Kh5 (19.Kg4 e5+ ; 19.Kf6 Qe5#) 19...Qe5+ 20.Kg4 Qf5+ 21.Kxf3 Qe4+ 22.Kg4 (22.Kf2 Bc5+ 23.Qd4 Bxd4#) 22...e5+ 23.Kh4 Be7+ 24.Kh5 Qf5+ 25.Kh6 Qg5#. |
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| Sep-17-03 | | JSYantiss: hickchess99, if 19.Ke3, then black will simply play 19...Rf3, checkmate. |
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| Sep-17-03 | | jazz: if 16 kg2 costs a bishop and a knight or even bishop knight and queen. and white wastes both move 17 and 18 tries to be offensive when he neededto be defensive. 17 g4 bd7 18kg3 rf8.Now white has many options.White only loses when pawn is not moved to g4 by 18. |
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Jul-04-07
 | | butcher 4: Drinking and chess does mix well.White had a better game. |
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| Apr-30-08 | | JimmyVermeer: Honza Cervenka, if 16 Kf4 g5+ 17 Kxg5, Qd8+ gives a faster win than Qxe3+. 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qd8+! 18 Kh5 Qf6 19 Nd4 Be7 20 Bd3 Bd7 21 Qg4+ Kh8 22 Bg5 Be8+ 23 Bg6 Qxg6+ 24 Kh4 Qh6+ 25 Qh5 Qxh5# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Be7+ 19 Kh5 Bd7 20 Bd3 Rf8 21 Qg4+ Nxg4 22 Raf1 Nxh2 23 Rxh2 Qxg3 24 Rg1 Be8+ 25 Ng6 Qxh2+ 26 Kg4 h5# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Nf3+? 19 Kg4 e5+ 20 Kh5 exf4 21 Qxd5+ Be6 22 Re1 Bxe1 23 Bc4 Bxd5 24 Bxd5+ Kg7 25 Rxe1 Nxe1 26 Kh4 h5 27 g4 Qe7+ 28 Kh3 Qe2 29 Be6 Qxe6 30 a3 Qxg4# 16 Kf4? g5+? 17 Kxg5 Qxe3+? 18 Nf4 Nf3+? 19 Kh5? Qe5+ 20 Kg4 Qf5+ 21 Kxf3 Qe4+ 22 Kg4 e5+ 23 Kh4 Be7+ 24 Kh5 Qf5+ 25 Kh6 Qg5# Also, at the end, White moved into mate several times and Black missed it. 16 Kf4? Qd8! 17 g4 Qf6+ 18 Kg3 Qf3+ 19 Kh4 Qxg4#
16 Kf4? Qd6? 17 Bc5!
16 Kf4? Qd6? 17 Bh3? Qf8+! 18 Kg5 Be7+ 19 Kh5 g6#
17 Bh3? Bd7? 18 Nd4!
17 Bh3? Bd7? 18 Bd4? Rf8+ 19 Bf5 Rxf5+ 20 Ke3 Rf3# |
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| Sep-29-16 | | Straclonoor: Here is three lines in position after 15....Ne5
Analysis by Stockfish 160916 64 POPCNT:
1. (-3.85): 16.Kg2 Qxe3 17.Nc3 Bd7 18.Qe2 Qg5 19.Re1 d4 20.h4 Bc6+ 21.Kh2 Qe3 22.Bg2 Qxe2 23.Rxe2 Nf3+ 24.Bxf3 Bxf3 25.Rf1 Bxe2 26.Nxe2 e5 27.Kg2 Re8 28.Rd1 Kf7 29.a3 Bd6 30.Kf2 h5 31.Ke1 Ke6 32.Kd2 Kd5 33.Rg1 e4 34.Rf1 Be5 35.Nf4+ Bxf4+ 36.gxf4 Rf8 37.Ke2 g6 38.b3 e3 39.Kf3 Re8 40.Re1 b6 41.Re2 Re4 42.Re1 Re6 43.Ke2 Ke4 44.Rd1 Re8 2. (-#13): 16.Kf2 Ng4+ 17.Kg2 Nxe3+ 18.Kf3 e5 19.Nd4 Bg4+ 20.Kxe3 Qh6+ 21.Kf2 Rf8+ 22.Nf3 Rxf3+ 23.Qxf3 Bc5+ 24.Ke2 Qe3+ 25.Kd1 Bxf3+ 26.Kc2 Be4+ 27.Kd1 Bb4 28.Bd3 Qd2# 3. (-#4): 16.Kf4 Qd8 17.Qxd5 g5+ 18.Kxe5 Qxd5+ 19.Kf6 Qf5# |
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Feb-18-24
 | | MissScarlett: The London <Observer> of March 25th 1923, p.18, has <R F Whitehead>, claiming the game comes from <a simultaneous exhibition at the North London Club on March 16. In all his displays Maroczy not only takes Black on alternate boards, but plays any opening his opponents may select. With all these handicaps he has not yet lost a game in his tour.> Yet the <Hastings & St Leonards Observer> of March 31st 1923, p.5, claims it occurred on March 12th in Battersea, one of 19 games. It also gives the game M E Goldstein vs Maroczy, 1923, as one of 27 boards, played on March 15th at the North London
club. Both games have notes by Maroczy himself (I think he was actually living in Hastings at this time), so I think we must favour the <Hastings Observer>'s dates. That said, the London <Observer> has <R F Whitehead>, not <R T Whitehead>, and that turns out to be correct. |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: RE: <Maroczy living in Hastings> <(I think he was actually living in Hastings at this time)> You know, I saw this mentioned elsewhere in my recent researching - I tried to verify it unsuccessfully, but didn't spend too much time on it this round. Where did you get your impressions from, and can it be collaborated in the literature? . |
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Feb-18-24
| | MissScarlett: The first thing that comes to mind:
< She joined the Hastings Chess Club in 1923, where she began training with James Drewitt and Géza Maróczy.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_... |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: <Geza Maroczy's plans to participate in the premier tournament at the Hastings Chess Festival were interfered with through passport trouble, when about to leave Hungary, which made it impossible for him to reach the scene of action in time.> https://books.google.com/books?id=B... So he came for the Hastings Christmas tournament and possibly stayed till spring for Liverpool. Sort of living in Hastings, but I'd prefer the semantics of "extended stay". I don't think he took up employment (other than chess) while in England - but I am still curious. Wonder how the Hungarian press reported it. |
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Feb-18-24
| | MissScarlett: Hastings & St. Leonards Observer, October 13th 1923, p.9: <Back in our midst is the ever genial Geza Maroczy after having taken part in various international tournaments, notably at Carlsbad, where he was first, and at Scheveringen [sic] where he was second. Maroczy has a genuine love for Hastings and and its chess club and declares that he is never happy unless he is amongst us. He can be most amusing at times. When he first arrived in Hastings the writer was showing him his bearings and in the midst of the chess conversation he espied the Tank that used to stand in Caroline-place; shifting his conversation with the rapidity of one getting the king out of check, he exclaimed "That von the game!" We hope Maroczy will have a pleasant stay and that the members of the Club will benefit from his great knowledge of the game and what is still more important, his willingness and eagerness to diffuse and impart to others this knowledge.> The same column announced: <The President of the Hastings Club wishes to announce that Maroczy will start a series of weekly lectures, etc., next Thursday evening.> |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: So the next question is, how long did he reside in Hastings? |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: Apparently, at least until Győr according to this Jun 1924 news item... <Géza Maróczy, our grandmaster currently living in England, is very excited about the organization of the competition, who is already going to Győr on the 20th of this month. to participate in the preparation work there.> < A verseny rendezése körül Maróczy Géza, jelenleg Angliában élő nagymesterünk buzgőlkodik sokat, aki e hónap 20.-án már Győrbe megy le. hogy ott az előkészítés munkálataiban résztvegyen. > https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/v... |
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| Feb-18-24 | | Messiah: <https://library.hungaricana.hu/en/v... The OCR is very bad, I can barely understand this text. At least the moves can be deciphered. |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: <Messiah> the OCR is fine, or should I say accurate. It's the newspaper copy you have an issue with. Perhaps the language usage has changed in 100 years (and/or perhaps the typesetting had a mistake or two), or perhaps the Prague Hungarian had it's own slight twist from Pesti Magyar. |
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| Feb-18-24 | | Messiah: <stone free or die: <Messiah> the OCR is fine, or should I say accurate.> Really? How do you assess <Ma: Sziklay Ferenc. Á dovenszkóü és rassitíSzkól magyar miikedvelő színjátszás egy évi tereié5© Thália aratása Itassa, június 21.>? With the help of the scanned document it can be understood, but... but... Oh, just understood you don't know what is OCR. Never mind. |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: <Messiah> whoa there nellie. My focus was only on the Maroczy snippet. I wasn't out to critique the entire paper. <Oh, just understood you don't know what is OCR. Never mind.> Though I'm trying to make this a constructive engagment, this is just wrongly maligning me. Oh well, live and learn. |
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| Feb-18-24 | | stone free or die: (OCR = Off Color Remark - fwiw) |
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| Feb-18-24 | | FM David H. Levin: <<stone free or die>: (OCR = Off Color Remark - fwiw)> Interesting. I'd have guessed "Optical Character Recognition." |
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| Feb-19-24 | | stone free or die: <FM Dave> - you're right of course, I was having a bit of, er, "fun" with <Messiah>. |
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Jul-20-24
 | | GrahamClayton: 16. Kf2 Ng4+ 17. Kf3 Qxe3+ 18. Kxg4 e5+ 19. Kh4 Qh6#. |
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