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| Apr-02-13 | | leka: In the Candidates 2013 Carlsen played 7 hours in a row |
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| Apr-02-13 | | hcgflynn: How about 53. - Rb1? |
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| Apr-03-13 | | diceman: <hcgflynn: How about 53. - Rb1?> It lets white in on the a file.
54.Ra2
The rook, bishop, and king
(thru g5) will harass the black king. |
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| Apr-03-13 | | hcgflynn: Might be true, but black will have a passed pawn... maybe worths the risk? :) |
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Apr-03-13
 | | harrylime: Bobby should've won this and blew it.
Players in the 60's did'nt meet each other that often and Bobby played even less so.... er ... History gets to fill in the gaps .... |
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| Apr-03-13 | | leka: B.Spassky could have tried 14..knight c4 as good as 17...c5 Also later 17..rook c8 or 17...Queen b6 Spassky got a weaker position you have to improve somewhere earlier |
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| Oct-06-14 | | Howard: For the record, Andrew Soltis discussed this game briefly in the most recent issue of Chess Life. |
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Jul-02-16
 | | offramp: A game from Round 2. Played, I believe, on 14th November 1966. It had been postponed from 5th November 1966. |
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| Jul-18-16 | | Lt.Surena: There is a very interesting story behind this game. Bobby was originally scheduled to play the World Champion Petrosian here at table one. However, Rabbi Bobby went Sabbatical (pun intended) and
claimed he was an observant jew (LMAO) and refused (Chickened out) to play the Wrold Champ Petrosian so he could observe Jewish Sabbath that day. US team defaulted. Tigran went on
and played/spanked Larsen instead to win the gold medal at table one. Later on, the USSR team agreed to re-play USA. However, it was Boris's turn to play table one much to Bobby's relief. GM Ray Keene recalls what happened in Havana at Larsen vs Petrosian, 1966
when he observed Tigran substitute game Larsen-Petrosian Havana 1966. This goes to prove "Everett:" 's point that Bobby in fact did pick and choose his opponents and the time to play them. A new low for Bobby to use
religion to duck opponents. |
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| Jul-18-16 | | TheFocus: <Lt. Surena>, Bobby never claimed to be an observant Jew. His church did observe Saturday as the Sabbath though. Here is the real story. Part 1
<A good deal was said, however, in all the Havana papers about Fischer's refusal to play before 6 p.m. on Saturday, November 5th. It has been generally accepted, for the past year or two, that Fischer never plays, or even discusses the game, from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday; that period is, he says, his "holy day." He has gotten religion, but no one has been able to find out which, or whether it has a brand name; the subject is one of several that Bobby flatly refuses to discuss. Still, Lt. Col. Edmund Edmondson, Executive Director of the U.S. Chess Federation, had raised this point when making arrangements with one of the responsible Cuban officials prior to the departure of the U.S. team; and he had been assured that Bobby's Sabbath would be respected. But on Nov. 5, when, by the luck of the draw, the Russians were asked to postpone the start of Fischer's game against Petrosian, from 4 to 6 p.m., Alex Serov, manager of the Russian team, not only refused but treated U.S. team captain Donald Byrne to a lengthy, irrelevant anti-American harangue. At this point, Byrne filled in Col. Edmondson, in New York, by telephone. After consultation between our team members, captain Byrne, and USCF officers (by telephone), the U.S. position was that our team had gone to Havana after being assured that schedule variations would be made to permit Fischer's participation in accordance with his religious beliefs. Anyone refusing to honor this agreement was, therefore, refusing to play the U.S. team, since Fischer was so obviously the team leader in playing strength. Olympiad officials, and the Soviet team, were notified that the U.S. team would be present to start the round at 6 p.m. in accordance with our prior arrangement. Serov, again with irrelevant remarks (this time disparaging Fischer's playing strength), flatly refused to compete and said his team would be present at 4 p.m. When he received word of the Soviet stand, Col. Edmondson sent the following caable to Mr. Folke Rogard, President of F.I.D.E. in Stockholm: "USSR REFUSED PLAY USA MATCH UNDER ORGANIZING COMMITTEE AGREEMENT DELAY FISCHER GAME START. YOUR INTERVENTION URGENTLY REQUESTED FOR SOVIET COMPLIANCE. IF THEY CONTINUE REFUSAL WE CLAIM 4-0 FORFEIT."> |
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| Jul-18-16 | | TheFocus: Part 2
<Back in Havana, the U.S. team arrived at the playing site at 6 p.m. to find that a rather premature action had been taken; the USSR – USA match score had been posted as a 4-0 forfeit in favor of the Soviets, with no one having yet learned the views of F.I.D.E. President Rogard. Since everyone else – even the Soviet players – wanted the match to be played, it seemed that their manager had gone off on a tangent contrary to the interests of chess. Upon hearing this news, team captain Byrne reiterated the U.S. position to chess officials on the scene. From New York, Col. Edmondson sent clarifying messages to various parties who would be interested in a fair outcome of the dispute. The next day, F.I.D.E. President Rogard's recommendations reached Havana. He asked first of all that "a friendly agreement be obtained" to reschedule and play the match; stated that if the parties refused an Arbitration Council would have to be set up to reschedule the match; or, if rescheduling were found not possible nor appropriate, the match results could be scored as a 2-2 tie. "Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds," and Serov was nothing else if not consistent; he refused to consider the possibility of "friendly agreement." Accordingly, on November 9, an Arbitration Council – with members from Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Cuba, and Czechoslovakia – taking into account the fact that prior to Nov. 5 every other team had agreed to accommodate Fischer's scruple, urged the Russians to agree to a rescheduling of the match. Igor Bondarevsky, captain of the Russian team, had at this point suddenly replaced Serov as Soviet spokesman. Bondarevsky explained that, since the incident had developed "international repercussions," the decision would have to be made by his home federation. He added that one could be expected in a few days. But the very next day, Jesus Betancourt, director of INDER (the Cuban Sports Federation) announced that, in order not to doisappoint their Cuban public, the Russians had agreed to have the match rescheduled for Nov. 14th. This was instantly hailed by the Havana papers as a "noble gesture," and for the next several days they publicized the coming match. (One cartoon depicted Petrosian and Fischer in baseball garb, warming up in the pitcher's bullpen to compete against one another.)
Came the big day, and the Russians – for "tactical reasons" – replaced the cautious Petrosian with Spassky against Fischer, to the distinct disappointment of not only the Cuban public but chess fans everywhere. Fischer, conducting White, exploited an opening advantage and achieved a winning bind in 35 moves; but on the 36th, with 45 minutes at his disposal, he made a hasty Pawn snatch and followed it up with a careless rejoinder which permitted Spassky to salvage a draw. On board 2, ex-world champion Mikhail Tal soundly trounced our Robert Byrne. On board 3, Pal Benko held Soviet champion Leonid Stein to a draw. On board 4, Lev Polugaevsky drew with me in a hard-fought contest. The score: 2.5 – 1.5 in favor of the Russians.> |
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| Jul-18-16 | | RookFile: How strong that team was. For tactical reasons, you replace the world champion with the man who will be the next world champion. Meanwhile, a former champ is putting the decisive point up on the board on board two. |
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Jul-18-16
 | | perfidious: Small wonder the Soviet side were invincible from Dubrovnik 1950 through Nice 1974, only failing to win the gold in 1978 at Buenos Aires due to a superb performance by Hungary, while missing Karpov. |
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Jul-19-16
 | | Retireborn: <perfidious> I'm working through NiC 2000/8 where Leko, analysing his win against Khalifman at Istanbul 2000, says it's the first time Hungary beat Russia in the Olympiad match. In 1978 the score was 2.5-1.5 to the USSR, thanks to Spassky beating Portisch's French defence on top board.
Khalifman played the French too, funnily enough! |
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| Jul-19-16 | | Howard: Keep in mind though that "Russia" did not exist until January 1, 1992. Before that, it was the Soviet Union. Thus, trying to compare 2000 with, say, 1978 is not really a valid comparison. |
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Jul-19-16
| | Retireborn: It's true that the 1978 team with Petrosian and Vaganian was half Armenian, but Leko evidently felt that the comparison was valid emotionally, at least. |
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| Jun-06-17 | | machuelo: to the Focus: Would you please tell me where the Edmondson commentaries were first published. Thank you. |
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Sep-22-17
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RqzRC6dUa... |
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| Jan-29-19 | | laskereshevsky: I think leko was talking about Russia-Hungary matches cause Hungary has beaten USSR twice. FIRST Moscow 1956:
GM Barcza 1-0 Smyslov
GM Szabo,IM Benkő,IM Bély 1/2 Vs Botvinnik,Keres,Taimanov SECOND Skopje 1972
GM Bilek 1-0 Korchnoi
GM Portisch,IM Forintos,IM Ribli 1/2 vs Petrosian, Smyslov, Tal (Soviets all GMs)
the whole record is 17 matches
With +10 =5 -2 in USSR favour |
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| Jan-29-19 | | gokusano: <SECOND Skopje 1972
GM Bilek 1-0 Korchnoi
GM Portisch,IM Forintos,IM Ribli 1/2 vs Petrosian, Smyslov, Tal(Soviets all GMs)>
Except Korchnoi, the rest of the Russians were all ex-champion of the world, wow! And Korchnoi years later, became a challenger. What a formidable line-up, only to be trampled by the hungry for win Hungarian. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | Z legend of CG: <Z-ing is believing...> He is some amazing footage from the game:
https://youtu.be/watch?v=egVR3NPzJIQ
Let's pick out a couple of moments from the footage - • Fischer wanders back to the game after, I believe, 32.Nd5 to await Spassky's 32...Ne7. https://youtu.be/egVR3NPzJIQ?t=18
click for larger viewSome of the board is obscured by the clock (i.e. Black's pawn on g5), and the pieces are a little fuzzy - but still, I think I have the correct point in the game. • Spassky and Fischer finish up analyzing a variation in the game (note the clock has disappeared, and Spassky is smoking in his left hand). https://youtu.be/egVR3NPzJIQ?t=44
click for larger viewOf course Spassky is smiling because Black is winning in this variation. The AP clip actually starts after this analysis segment, with a close-up of Spassky (Fischer has likely already left) and then him collecting his materials stored under the table during the game. If you watch the clip to the end you get to see Castro and Fischer together - a sight to behold surely. |
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| Mar-20-21 | | dejandjakovic: Amazing clip! |
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Mar-20-21
 | | MissScarlett: <If you watch the clip to the end you get to see Castro and Fischer together - a sight to behold surely.> Where? I didn't see it. |
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| May-14-25 | | Helios727: Stockfish gave 36.Re3 as best (+0.89) and when I had SF play it out, White ended up winning. However, I must confess that when I had SF look at it again it gave 36.Bb2 as best (+1.1). As for 36.Bxe5, SF listed that as #4 (+0.61). |
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| May-14-25 | | Helios727: When I had SF play out 40...Qf8 it ended up as a draw by repetition on move 95. |
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