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| Jul-27-09 | | cizio2: I met several players that played until checkmate, trying to earn a stalemate. I met just one player that played until checkmate, only to be good sport. I prefer that my opponent resigns when he has a lost game, I don't like to look for swindles in a won game. I don't think the loser can ruin the final tactical blow resigning.
Lputian-Ivanchuk 2000 is a masterpiece, and I think Lputian choose a perfect moment to resign. Lputian vs Ivanchuk, 2000 |
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| Jul-27-09 | | randomsac: It slipped right through my grasp. I saw that Nf6+ would drive the king into the corner, but then I was like now what? I overlooked that Rh7# loomed so the queen sac was next. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | jsheedy: Easy one. 31. Nf6+, Kh8, 32. Qxh6+, Bxh6, 33. Rh7#. All forced. I looked for a quicker win but found none. 31. Rxg7+ and 31. Qxh6+ both failed miserably. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | JG27Pyth: Tom:<...True, but sometimes the final combo is so <interesting or surprising> that you really should just let it play out. What's it take, an extra 30 seconds to finish an <inevitable close>...> If the close is inevitable, it can hardly be surprising, can it? <Resigning is supposed to be a sportsmanlike timesaver.> I use resignation as a way of indicating that I understand I've lost. -- Playing on would indicate I don't understand, and while I don't like losing -- I really hate looking dense. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | jsheedy: <gofer>, I like your 2-mover. After maybe three minutes I saw 1. dxc6, which threatens two different mates: 2. Rd5# or 2. dxc7#. Black's only defense against both mates is to block d5. The only way to do that is by 1...Nf6, but that simply creates another mate: 2. Qxf6#. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | jsheedy: To resign or play out: If I'm losing to a weaker player, I play on, hoping for a blunder. It often comes, rewarding my patience. If I'm playing a strong player, I think it's wise and courteous to resign a losing position. I may drag it out a few moves, but if I see that my opponent knows what he's doing, I resign. But here's a novel idea: Why not say, "Look, I know you're winning. We both know you have a pretty mate in three. Do you want the satisfaction of playing it, or would you rather I resign?" |
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| Jul-27-09 | | blacksburg: <But here's a novel idea: Why not say, "Look, I know you're winning. We both know you have a pretty mate in three. Do you want the satisfaction of playing it, or would you rather I resign?"> horrible idea. you know how many blitz games i've won on time despite having hung mate in 1 for 3 moves in a row? lots and lots. mate in three is still anyone's game. :) |
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| Jul-27-09 | | doubledrooks: The week starts off with a mate in three: 31. Nf6+ Kh8 32. Qxh6+ Bxh6 33. Rh7#. As for me, I prefer to resign a clearly lost game, and I prefer the same from my opponents. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | xrt999: this whole argument about resigning -and the contradictory opinions that fuel it- just goes to show you, chess may never be considered a real sport. In sports, the sport is played until the finish, despite the circumstances. With the pervasive history of resigning, and it's powerful notions imbedded within chess, I fear that it may be too potent to overcome, and that chess will never reach its full potential as a sport. My reason for saying all of this is that one day I would really love to see chess played in the Olympics! Until chess can overcome this stigma of "politeness" or "correctness" in giving up, it will never reach that level. Moreover, as I alluded to, the stigma may be too strong to overcome in the short term, but if we start now, we may be able to one day root for our countrymen as they square off against other countries in the Olympics. My opinions. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | sileps: This quote sums up my opinion on resigns: "No one's won a game by resigning" as for today's puzzle, it was kinda hard for monday, but I spotted it pretty fast nevertheless. 31.Nf6+ with a forced mate to come. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | kevin86: I immediately saw a mate in three highlighed by a queen sac and an Arabian mate-and IT IS the solution: 31 ♘f6+ ♔h8 32 ♕xh6+ ♗xh6 33 ♖h7#. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | Utopian2020: It's Monday.
Step 1 Does a queen sac work? No, check with knight.
Step 2 Does a queen sac work? Yes.
Step 3 Use rook to mate.
More steps than usual for a Monday. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | noendgame: Here is the definitive answer to the "resign or play to mate" debate:
D Byrne vs Fischer, 1956 |
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| Jul-27-09 | | YouRang: A good example of why it is helpful to be familiar with common mating patterns. Here, with the knight able to give check at f6 and the rook nearby, one familiar with the "Arabian mate" will immediately look for ways to bring it about. Indeed, it almost brings itself about, as 31.Nf6+ forces the king into the "corner of death", and 32.Qxh6+ forces the path to be cleared for the rook to finish the Arabian mating pattern with 33.Rh7#. Beginners who are unfamiliar with the mating pattern might, I think, even feel that this is too hard for a Monday. :-) |
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| Jul-27-09 | | Utopian2020: If Menchik walked out and made Fairhurst wait there until her remaining time expired, that would have been unsporting. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | playground player: I saw the checkmate pattern waiting to be completed, and knew it is called an Arabian Mate. What I don't know is why it is called an Arabian Mate. Can anyone enlighten me? |
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| Jul-27-09 | | Once: Bump. Bump. Bump.
In case you are wondering, that's the sound of Once banging his head against a proverbial brick wall. Good resignations = I know you are going to win. You know you are going to win. Why prolong the game and insult you by suggesting that you might not have the required technique? Bad resignations = when a pretty finish is nearly on the board and it would not take too long to allow it to happen. Or walking out of the tournament hall, never to return. Or declaring out loud "why must I lose to this idiot?" As to the "chess is not a real sport" nonsense, we dealt with that a few weeks ago. There are other sports where resignation is permitted. But then I suppose I really shouldn't feed the trolls ... |
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Jul-27-09
 | | chessgames.com: At first we were intending to start this on move 32 (the predictable Monday queen-sac) but you folks are so good we figured you could handle the slightly harder version of the puzzle. |
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Jul-27-09
 | | Check It Out: 31.Nf6+ Kh8 32.Qxh6+ Bxh6 33.Rh7# very pretty mate. |
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Jul-27-09
 | | tpstar: <Arabian Mate> Under the old school rules of chess, Queens only moved one square at a time while Bishops moved exactly two squares on that diagonal, thus the Rooks and Knights were comparatively more powerful, plus their movements didn't change later under modern chess. The Arabian Mate pattern was identified very early as one which didn't require the King. One consideration in the "to resign, or not to resign" debate is that any discussion about whether one should resign before mate would be unethical while the game is still in progress - for either player. Some people feel the same about announcing mate in N moves. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | gofer: <jsheedy: After maybe three minutes I saw 1. dxc6, which threatens two different mates: 2. Rd5# or 2. dxc7#. Black's only defense against both mates is to block d5. The only way to do that is by 1...Nf6, but that simply creates another mate: 2. Qxf6#.> Not quite... one of your mate threats is just a check! Rd5 is Rd5+, not Rd5# as black can play Kxc4, so after dxc6 black only has to protect against one threat, dxc7#, which it can easily do by playing Ne6... of course Ne6 opens up another mating square h4, but it isn't Qh4# its Qh4+ as the black can play... Nf4 with the cruxial delay of one move that means the 2 move mate hasn't been solved... keep trying... :-) |
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| Jul-27-09 | | lzromeu: <tpstar:> In this case, resign in mate position is clearly unethical. <chessgames.com>: Great. Another monday-queen-sac would be boring. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | gerpm: Always enjoy Monday |
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| Jul-27-09 | | fouard: I contend he resigned one move too LATE. |
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| Jul-27-09 | | WhiteRook48: got it, easy |
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