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| Mar-27-06 | | Necessary Truths: <Sneaky> You're right! 2. ... Nd7 does lose by force! I didn't see 45. c6+! Kxc6 46. Nc5!! at first, but that forces the win! What an eye for combinations! |
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| Jan-21-07 | | Rubenus: After
1. e4 g6
2. d4 Bg7
3. Nf3 d6
4. Bc4 a6!!
black scores very well according to the opening explorer.
Black's next moves:
5...b5
6...Nd7
7...Bb7
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| Sep-20-07 | | smarterthanbobby: I THINK the king has men with swords
that would chop a chess masters in half if he won a game... that is my thoughts, better to be a jester than
half the man you used to be... |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Mate Hunter: Just to make it a bit clearer to understand why Black played those passive moves: <<>"Though nothing has ever been proven, he has been suspected of creating some of his games, or of having them created beforehand and paying his opponents to follow the script.> (Prince Dadian's bio) Of course, this is not 100 % proof, but it's most likely true... |
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| Aug-20-08 | | Judah: <Of course, this is not 100% proof> It's not proof at all. |
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Jun-12-17
 | | FSR: 5.Bxf7+! Kxf7 (5...Kf8! 6.Ng5 loses more slowly for Black) 6.Ng5+ wins king or queen (6...Kf8 or e8 7.Ne6; 6...Kf6 7.Qf3#). |
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| Jun-12-17 | | lost in space: <<kevin86>: Black has three options-all bad:
6...♔f8 7. ♘e6+ forks king and queen.
6...♔e8 7. ♘e6 smothers the queen in her own home.
And worst, 6...♔f6 7. ♕f3 is checkmate! Mark the case closed>
Correct. Nothing more to say. Beside that 5. Bxf7+ Kf8 is best because losing only on the long run |
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| Jun-12-17 | | ChessHigherCat: Kind of tricky because the first move is obviously Bxf7 followed by Ng4/e4+ but I didn't see the mate. Then I realized I could win the Q with Ne6+ through a fork if K f8 or a "mother smother" if Ke8. If Kf6 Qf3 mates immediately. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | zb2cr: A trap in the opening, which Black fell into. 5. Bxf7+ presents Black with several choices, all bad. a. 5. ... Kf8 is probably best, but White can just withdraw his Bishop and remain up by a Pawn with Black having lost castling. b. 5. ... Kxf7; 6. Ng5+ and now we get the other unpleasant variations for Black. b.1. 6. ... Kf6; 7. Qf3#.
b.2. 6. ... Kf8; 7. Ne6+ forks King and Queen, and White will end up with having won Q+P for B+N. b.3. 6. ... Ke8; 7. Ne6 and the Black Queen is trapped. White will emerge with the same material edge as in variation b.2. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | Walter Glattke: 6.-Kf8 7.Ne6+, while 7.Qf3+ Ndf6 would save. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | ChessHigherCat: What is Doubrava, anyway, some Czech village? Maybe the Prince said he would release the villagers from taxes if he lost and then played the village idiot, like this guy: "Every year, this cunning baron assembled his tenants in the village square. A large maypole was planted, and on the top was attached a wren. The lord, pointing to the little bird, declared solemnly, that if any 'vilain' succeeded in piercing him with an arrow he should be exempt from that year's dues. The vilains shot away, but, to the great merriment of their lord, never hit, and so had to continue paying the dues." http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1094... |
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| Jun-12-17 | | stst: An easy smothered Q:
5.Bxf7+ (A)KxB, 6.Ng5+ Ke8/f8, 7.Ne6 and Black's Q smothered.
(B)Kf8 denying the sac. B, 6.Be6 Nf6 (venting e6), 7.Ng5...and next Q out to f3 then e5 to press the N. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | Iwer Sonsch: Monday, move 5.
This suggests 5.Bxf7+ Kxg7 (5...Kf8 6.Ng5 and 7.Ne6+) 6.Ng5+ Ke8 or Kf8 (6...Kf6 7.Qf3#) 7.Ne6, winning the Queen. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | agb2002: The material is identical.
White can weaken and reach e6 with tempo, 5.Bxf7+: A) 5... Kf8 6.Ng5 with an extra pawn and a much better position. For example, 6... Ndf6 7.Qf3 Bg4 8.Ne6+ Bxe6 (8... Kxf7 9.Nxd8+ wins) 9.Bxe6 c6 (to meet e5 with dxe5 and Qa5+) 10.Nc3 followed by e5 seems to win a piece. B) 5... Kxf7 6.Ng5+
B.1) 6... Ke8 7.Ne6 + - [Q+P vs b+n].
B.2) 6... Kf8 7.Ne6+ as in B.2.
B.3) 6... Kf6 7.Qf3#. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | Once: Ah yes, the infamous Doubrava Immortal!
So the story goes, once upon a time there was a cunning prince - his Royal Highness, Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingralia. In his day, he was known as a renowned player of the chesse. Although some whispered that he did oft times pay his opponents to lose to him. Some say that the real continuation of this game was 7...Kf8 8. Ne6+ Ke8 9. Nxd8 And now Prince Dadian basked in the glow of his courtiers frantic applause. "What a pretty coup!" they cried. "His majesty has triumphed yet again." It was at this point that Doubrava played 9... Kxd8. Prince Dadian was incensed. "What does this mean? Do you insult me by playing on in a lost position?" What he really wanted to say was "haven't you forgotten our deal? Your ass goes down in the seventh." "I'd like to play on," said the solid Doubrava. "I've got two pieces for your queen and I'm ahead in development. Besides, you don't often get to play a middlegame ..." The rest, I am afraid to say, was a rout for black. The furious prince was furious. He played badly, made mistakes, dropped his queen. It is said that he was so befuddled that he even allowed Doubrava to castle on the queenside. A scant ten moves later, Prince Dadian resigned in the time honoured fashion by o'ertipping the board and having his opponent clapped in irons and left to rot in the deepest dungeon of his castle. I know, I know, you've never heard of the Doubrava Immortal. Few people have. You see, the only score of the game was the one produced by Prince Dadian's scribe. And this scribe rather liked having his head and shoulders in close proximity to each other. Very well played, your highness! |
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| Jun-12-17 | | AlicesKnight: I saw the lines shown by <zb2cr> above; declining the bishop is best, but leaves Black wonky. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | saturn2: Bxf7 and the best black can do is survive with a week kingside and a pawn less. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | leRevenant: Wasn't Doubrava the author of "Chess for Dummies"? |
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| Jun-12-17 | | Iwer Sonsch: Oh. I missed that 5...Kf8 6.Ng5 Nc5 7.dxc5 only wins a pawn and a piece. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | whiteshark: A Hippo's untimely end. |
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Jun-12-17
 | | rodchuck: <smarterthanbobby> Great comment! Very funny!
<once> "Once" again, a humorous alternative story absolutely in the spirit of Dadian's "genius". You two have made my Monday - thanks! |
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| Jun-12-17 | | goodevans: This position has appeared in many games and it would seem that more often than not white misses the <very easy> 5.Bxf7+. After 5.Bxf7+ black is not obliged to take the B as in
A Srebrnic vs A L'Ami, 2007 but white is clearly better anyway and usually goes on to win. |
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| Jun-12-17 | | bla bla: why he surrender ?becouse Qf3? A???? |
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| Jun-12-17 | | thegoodanarchist: <bla bla: why he surrender ?becouse Qf3? A????> 6...Kf6 7.Qf3#
6...Kf8 7.Ne6+ wins the queen
6...Ke8 7.Ne6 wins the queen |
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| Jun-12-17 | | bla bla: Thanks you veryyyyyy much |
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