| Jun-15-04 | | weirdoid: 15. c5 appears unusually amateurish for a serious tournament. Is it a serious mistake, or did Dokutchaev needed to win at all cost and hence tried to do weird things? In Khalifman vs Kamsky, 1999, Khalifman tried to do something similar (though from a rather dissimilar position) simply because he absolutely needed to win, so he tried to complicate the game - and at that time he did better than Dokutchaev here. Or, is it simply a patzer (patzerian? patzerish?) error? |
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Jun-15-04
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Weirdoid, this looks more like opening preparation gone bad. This Exchange sac must have been played in a similar position in an earlier game, and White probably thought his superior minor pieces and future outside passed pawn were enough compensation. Anastasian found the refutation over the board, which has occurred quite often--see Capablanca's win over Marshall when Marshall debuted his gambit. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | weary willy: (Would an Englishman write: "debuted his gambit"?) |
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| Jun-15-04 | | JSYantiss: I think that's how you spell it, willy.....or "debued," maybe? |
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| Jun-15-04 | | slapwa: I think WW's point was that the maxim "there's no noun you can't verb" only applies west of the pond. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | aragorn69: Great title <chessgames.com> ;-D |
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| Jun-15-04 | | notsodeepthought: I think "debut" can be a verb, and a transitive one, though it is more commonly used as an intransitive verb (to debut "in" something) - but then I am not an English native speaker, so I will defer to both sides of the pond on this issue... |
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| Jun-15-04 | | kevin86: IS this another zugzwang game? I don't see how black can proceed-or not proceed.
BTW,is this chess class or English class? I would have chosen a word such as "inaugurated" or a simple word as "began" or "started" over "debuted". |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Catfriend: As I understand it, black simply moves his rook to e2 then brings the other one o the second rank and settles the issue. Any comments? |
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Jun-15-04
 | | tpstar: Hey, I speak American; doesn't everybody? The original statement is correct = "debuted" is a very common verb, moreso in oral form than printed. Consider the entertainment industry ("Eminem's CD debuted at the top of the charts" - "'Booty Call' debuted at #5 this weekend"). However, since us goofy Americans aren't so swift with those silent "T"s, more likely written phrases would be "when Marshall introduced his Gambit" or "when the Marshall Gambit made its debut." Cheerio! |
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| Jun-15-04 | | dac1990: This isn't necessarily zugzwang-- White can just play it safe with 29.Qc1. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Catfriend: But then 29..♖e2 with 30..♖ff2, kiling. If 29.♕b1, then 29..♖:♘d2 and after the exchanges, black wins easily. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | kevin86: Thanks for the answers-it does look like the threat of {Re2 followed by R(8)f2 is inescapable. It's strange "debuted" sounds right but looks wrong. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | PawnBlock: What do you all think of 19. Bh3, or 19. exf6 Rxf6 20. Bh3. Keeps the f-file half-closed, and opens up lines at B's K. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Dillinger: The French word début, from which the English is derived, actually began as the verb débuter, so I don't see any harm in reverbalization! But as you can see I'm no language purist. |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Andrew Chapman: <What do you all think of 19. Bh3, or 19. exf6 Rxf6 20. Bh3.
Keeps the f-file half-closed, and opens up lines at B's K.> 19.Bh3 seems to almost force f5 and then white can play f4 and close the f file. Trouble is black would probably open up the g file instead with g5 after Kh8 and Rg8 etc. Difficult to defend against that sort of thing when you've just thrown away one of your rooks. But it would have bought him some time and seems a good idea to me. I'm not very good though. |
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Jun-15-04
 | | chessgames.com: <Great title <chessgames.com> ;-D> Thank you, we were waiting for somebody to say something! For the sake of posterity, the title is: "Ashot in the Dok" |
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| Jun-15-04 | | Andrew Chapman: I was wondering why Black plays Bb4+ followed by Be7 in this variation, apparently losing a tempo and realise that the White queen's bishop is best placed on b2. On its way from d2 to b2 it keeps ending up at c3 where it twice in this game gets itself into trouble and in the way. |
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Sep-01-05
 | | TheAlchemist: Ah, damn, I thought I was so clever when I thought of "What Ashot!" and I find this... too bad. :-) |
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| Sep-01-05 | | Anastasia: <chessgames> i find your pun somewhat unseemly... <Pawnblock> thx 4 yr insightful question! against 19.Bh3 i was going to play ..fe, & against 19.ef i was thinking 19..Bxf6 20.Bh3 Nxc5. 20..Nxc5 was a stock sac, not by any means one of my masterpeaces |
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| Sep-01-05 | | weirdoid: <Anastasia> Wow, is this real? Is this GM Anastasian himself? Wonder how many GM's are lurking around chessgames.com :) |
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| Sep-02-05 | | Anastasia: i was only pretending to be a gm. in real life im a super model. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 20...Nxc5