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John Odin Howard Taylor vs NN
Thorpe (1874), Thorpe ENG
King's Gambit: Accepted. Quade Gambit (C37)  ·  1-0



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  Penguincw: A harder than average Tuesday, but I got it.

I don't know about you, but as soon as I saw this game, I knew it was from the 19 century, and thought of 3 other games: the Immortal Game, the Evergreen Game and the mate with Legal's Mate.

The first move I saw was 11.Qxf7+. :| However, once I realized where the queen was, I would've played 11.Qxe7+ Nxe7 12.Nf6+ and 13.Bh6# 1-0 or 13.Nxf7# 1-0, depending on where the king ends up.

Mar-24-15  Nick46: Is nobody going to answer my question (above)?
Would 11.Qf4 be a winning move too?
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  Bubo bubo: Black has neglected development in favour of a hunt for material. Now his king turns out to be poorly defended:

11.Qxe7+ Nxe7 12.Nf6+ and mate after either 12...Kd8 13.Nxf7# or 12...Kf8 13.Bh6#

Mar-24-15  shivasuri4: <Nick46>, no, 11.Qf4 doesn't work. Black will hold a good advantage after 11...f6 12.Ng4 d6 13.Be3 Bxg4 14.Qxg4 f5 15.Qg7 Qxe4 16.Qxh8 Qxd5.
Mar-24-15  Pedro Fernandez: <<M.Hassan>: Have to confess: Could not see the solution untill I looked at the game! Chess blindness> You're honest my dear <Hassan> and that's the important thing! I knew practically the solution as such a position is typical from a few games. Greetings my friend!
Mar-24-15  Pedro Fernandez: You're very strong in the analysis <Penguincw> as I noted from long and everyone too!
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  Once: "Thorpe" is a Danish word meaning a small settlement. Wikipedia lists more than 20 places called "Thorpe", not to mention several more with Thorpe in their name, such as Cleethorpes.

It's when the Vikings came over on the ferry from Scandiwegia, raped and pillaged a bit, then decided to buy a nice three-bed semi-detached mud hut in a corner of England's green and pleasant. And naturally they would give their home a suitably Viking name like "Olaf's Thorpe" meaning Olaf's town.

After a while this would get shortened to "Thorpe" because everyone would have forgotten that it only means town. Hence we have towns in England with a name which literally translates as "town". Which you have to admit is not very helpful.

My favourite is Pendle Hill, which means "hill hill hill" in three different languages. Each successive wave of residents didn't realise that the lumpy thing over there was already called "hill" so they just added their version of "hill" to whatever the last lot had called it.

And if that appeals ...

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  kevin86: The Queen sac leads to a mate in three.
Mar-24-15  greed and death: Alrighty then...

11. Qxe7+ Nxe7 (forced)
12. Nf6+ (12... Kf8 13. Bh6#)(12... Kd8 13. Nxf7#)

Mar-24-15  thegoodanarchist: With the Black King's Knight protecting 3 critical squares, e7, f6 and h6, it is clearly overworked.

Exploit that fact with Qxe7+!! Now after ...Nxe7, the White Queen's Knight can go to f6 with check and mate to follow.

Mar-24-15  bachiller: <Once>'s story reminds me of something I read years ago about a river in southern Spain that ancient Iberians called 'Ix', which means 'river' in their language. Then, the Arabs added their own term, 'Wad' (guad, in the spanish spelling), making it 'wad Ix'; and when the Christians recovered it in the 15th century, they christened it as 'río Guadix', which means 'river river river' in three different languages.

I don't know if the story is true; anyway, it parallels that of Pendle Hill, which is the reason I bring it here, starting a collection of triples.

Any other contribution? ('Tora, tora, tora' is not a valid member of the set: three different languages are required).

Mar-24-15  whiteshark: <Nina Simone < Feeling Good>> comes to mind...
Mar-24-15  alfamikewhiskey: It doesn't meet the requirement of consisting of three languages, but at least it is geographical:

A point – i.e. a narrow piece of land jutting out into the sea – can be expressed three ways in Norwegian:

"Nes" (akin to Eng. "ness" (Oxford Ness)), "odde" or "tange" (which with the definite article - in Norwegian is the enclitic -n - gives "odden", "tangen" respectively).

Now, a peninsula outside Oslo is called Nesodden

– Thepointpoint.

The uttermost part (which also is an important stop for the ones commuting by boat) is called Nesoddtangen:


(Kind of like Unununium (element 111) before they decided to call it Roentgenium.)

Mar-24-15  Lighthorse: Now you guys made me think of:

"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo"

which (I had to look up on Wikipedia) means:

"The buffalo from Buffalo who are buffaloed by buffalo from Buffalo, buffalo (verb) other buffalo from Buffalo."

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  egilarne: As <Once> explains, Torp is a common scandinavian name: In Norway we have an airport with this name, and several people with Torp as their surname, among others the prime minister 1951-1955 Oscar Torp: In 2007 chess player, chess arbiter, chess organizer, historian and author Hans Olav Lahlum released a biography on Oscar Torp. Just to keep this on topic...
Mar-24-15  Nick46: Thank you <shivasuri4: <Nick46>, no, 11.Qf4 doesn't work. Black will hold a good advantage after 11...f6 12.Ng4 d6 13.Be3 Bxg4 14.Qxg4 f5 15.Qg7 Qxe4 16.Qxh8 Qxd5.>

but I'm not completely convinced: What about 15.Qg6+ Kf8/d8 16.O-O-O ?

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Mar-24-15  M.Hassan: <Pedro Fernandez:You're honest my dear <Hassan> and that's the important thing! I knew practically the solution as such a position is typical from a few games. Greetings my friend!>

Thank you for your understanding and very kind words. Will always remember this and greetings to you too

Mar-24-15  A.T PhoneHome: Oh Tuesday, dear Tuesday..

11.Qxe7 Nxe7 12.Nf6+ Kd8 13.Bg5# or 12...Kf8 13. Bh6#

Goodnight <everyone!> (at least for me it's night)

Mar-24-15  barryh1976: Who is this chrisowen guy? Lol
Mar-25-15  JohnTal: NN, the faithful punching bag of Do any of his feeble efforts exceed 25 moves?
Mar-25-15  shivasuri4: <Nick46:...but I'm not completely convinced: What about 15.Qg6+ Kf8/d8 16.O-O-O ?> I assume you mean 15.Qh5+, since 15.Qg6+ just loses the queen. After 15.Qh5+ Kd8 16.0-0-0 Qxe4 17.c4 c6 (there may be better lines) 18.Bd3 Qg4, White is forced to exchange another set of pieces, and he's already down a rook.
Mar-25-15  Everyone: Good night <A.T PhoneHome>. Sleep tight!
Mar-25-15  Nick46: thanks again <shivasuri4> All I can add is "oops"
Mar-25-15  thegoodanarchist: <Once: "Thorpe" is a Danish word meaning a small settlement.>

Some consider Jim Thorpe to be the greatest athlete ever.

However, my money is on Don Bradman. Put Cootamundra on the map, I'd wager he did.

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