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Jacques Schwarz vs Siegbert Tarrasch
Casual game (1883), Nurnberg, Jul-15
Danish Gambit: General (C21)  ·  0-1

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Jan-16-12
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  Once: <FSR: .... their excellent, if amusingly titled, "The Big Book of Busts.">

I bought this book to keep abreast of the latest theory but was disappointed to find that it was mostly padding. Mind you, it did contain a couple of points of interest.

Jan-16-12  King Death: Poor <Once>. The guy never gets a break, just a bust. It's just like the person whose family member visits a far off place and all they get is a tee shirt.

<FSR> Reinfeld mentioned that 3...Qe7 wasn't a bad move too in his collection of Tarrasch's games and I agree with you that if somebody's going to play a gambit, why not play 4.cd instead of wimping out with 4.f3.

Jan-16-12
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  chrisowen: Germain street it yop rune away candidate Qxg1+ we burgeon it tie shone rugged it take g1 a nest it ran day glorify it now rd1# pedal lagger rook ebullience bed inails.
Jan-16-12  shannie: Is this a better game than Morphy vs Duke of Brunswick?
Jan-16-12  LIFE Master AJ: 16...QxN/g1+ and 17...Rd1#.
Jan-16-12  MichaelJHuman: White was sure under pressure most of game! I am weak at chess, but it looks like white is in trouble at least by 10...Rd8. I am not sure, but it looks by then, it's too late to castle as moves become forced?
Jan-16-12  MichaelJHuman: I meant, castle effectively, sorry.
Jan-16-12  Shams: <MichaelJHuman> Sorry, but I'm not totally sure what you're asking. After 10.Nf3 castling is "on" for White. If he castled on his 11th or 12th move he would drop the Queen immediately. By move 13 White had a choice of castling and getting mated (as in the game) or leaving his king in the center and getting mated.
Jan-16-12  rudiment: Dead simple! The streak starts here
Jan-16-12  Shams: 10.Qc4 or 10.Qf4 Nd5 11.Qc4 were better tries. Crap game from White, who evidently wasn't always taken very seriously by his opponents:

Paulsen vs J Schwarz, 1881

He was good enough to notch the point there, though.

Jan-16-12
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  FSR: <Once: <FSR: .... their excellent, if amusingly titled, "The Big Book of Busts.">

I bought this book to keep abreast of the latest theory but was disappointed to find that it was mostly padding. Mind you, it did contain a couple of points of interest.>

Don't be such a boob. I admit, I did titter at your post.

Jan-16-12  YouRang: I wonder why white didn't just take the pawn on his sixth move (6.Qxd5)?

With 6.Bb5?!, he managed to create all sorts of nasty complications for himself that he wasn't prepared to handle. Against, Tarrash, probably nobody could handle those complications.

Jan-16-12  mcguigan97: Funny I only saw Bxf2. This mates as well. It takes six moves if white throws everything at it, i.e. Qxd8+. But still mate.
Jan-16-12  morfishine: <FSR> You commented <Probably White should have played simply 4.cxd4 Qxe4+ 5.Be3 (5.Be2!? is also possible, but allows 5...Qxg2!?)> In this line (5.Be2) the capture <5...Qxg2> is effectively met by <6.Bf3> and White gets lots of play though temporarily down 2-pawns
Jan-16-12  Shams: <morfishine> I think that line has great pedagogical value for both sides, and I can definitely see one pawn's worth of compensation, but the second pawn is too much. What I really hate about White's game is he can never put two pawns abreast in any sector of the board that matters, nor can he kick the f6 square with a pawn.

In a tournament game, I'm much rather play the Tumbleweed. =)

Jan-16-12  TheBish: J Schwarz vs Tarrasch, 1883

Black to play (16...?) "Very Easy"

Very easy indeed, but an excellent problem for my students.

16...Qxg1+! 17. Kxg1 Rd1#.

Time to see how the position arose. Looks like a good example of punishing lack of development.

Jan-16-12  TheoNov: It's time to play <What Went Wrong?>! The interesting thing is, it looks like both sides made significant inaccuracies on several early moves until Tarrasch hits attack mode!

Here is the analysis (with Houdini):

1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Qe7 4. f3 d5 5. Qxd4


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5. .. Nc6(?!)

(5. .. Nf6 gives a clear advantage (-0.58) for Black. 5. .. dxe4 / 5. .. Be6 are also preferable, and give Black the better game immediately. The text move equalizes, but no more.)

6. Bb5(?!)

(Necessary was 6. Qxd5 with approximate equality.)

6. .. dxe4 7. fxe4(?!)

(7. Bxc6+ or 7. Qxe4 are much better.)


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7. .. Nf6(?!)

(Much better is 7. .. Bd7! with a substaintial
advantage for Black (-0.89 19/48).)

8. e5(?)


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(After this move move, White is lost (-1.58 19/58). 8. Bxc6+ was essential here to minimize Black's advantage. The rest is well-played by Tarrasch.)

8. .. Bd7 9. Bxc6 Bxc6 10. Nf3 Rd8 11. Qe3 Ng4 12. Qg5 Qd7 (Even more powerful may be 12. .. h5) 13. O-O (Deadly. 13. Nd4 puts up some resistance.) 13. .. Bc5+ 14. Kh1 Nf2+ 15. Rxf2 Qd1+ 16. Ng1 Qxg1+ 17. Kxg1 Rd1# 0-1

Jan-16-12
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  FSR: FWIW, Opening Explorer shows 3...Qe7 to be the best-scoring response to the Danish, with Black scoring +7 =5 -3.
Jan-17-12  Shams: Somebody dared enter that <4.cxd4 Qxe4+ 5.Be2 Qxg2> line against Alekhine. If you have a release form signed by your parents the carnage may be viewed here:

Alekhine vs A Cheron, 1925

Jan-17-12
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  FSR: <Shams> That was no "somebody"; that was Andre Cheron, the famous endgame composer!
Jan-17-12  Shams: <FSR> I own my ignorance! Studies, or problems? I'll feel worse if it's the former.
Jan-17-12
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  FSR: <Shams> Studies.

<André Chéron (September 25, 1895 - September 12, 1980) was a French chess player, endgame theorist, and a composer of endgame studies. He lived in Switzerland for many years. He was named a FIDE International Master of Chess Composition in 1959, the first year the title was awarded.

Chéron was the French champion three times (1926, 1927, and 1929)[1] and played on the French team at the 1927 Chess Olympiad. He is best known for his work in the theory of endgames, where he was most concerned with detailed proofs about theoretical endgame results. He composed hundreds of endgame studies. His life's work is the monumental four-volume Lehr- und Handbuch der Endspiele (the German title), which was first published in French in 1952 and published in German in 1952–58 (and a second revised edition in 1962-70). It studies basic endgames and endgame studies, with material drawn from many sources including his own contributions. He also wrote Traité complet d'échecs and an updated version Nouveau traité complet d'échecs, half of which was about the endgame.> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C...

Jan-17-12
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  kevin86: Interesting closing tactic:drive the king into a pin of the rook by the bishop---it is otherwise a back rank mate.
Jun-26-12
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  FSR: Schwarz got Tarrasched.
Feb-18-13
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  FSR: Tarrasched.
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