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Nikolay A Legky vs Dmitry Fingerov
"Don't Take Your Fingerov" (game of the day Nov-13-2006)
Efim Geller Memorial (2005), Odessa UKR, rd 5, Jul-02
Formation: Queen Pawn Game: London System (D02)  ·  1-0

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Nov-13-06  black knight c6: yeh and sorta forget about defending the d pawn, you just need the two on the side with no opposition really. is there anyway to edit posts on this site so I don't have to double post like I just did? >_<
Nov-13-06  eaglewing: <al wazir: Why didn't white simply play 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 Nd1 39. Rxd5 Nxb2 40. Rxc5 ?> I think, Black should play 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 d4 and if 39. Rxc5 Rf8 40. Nf3 (or h3?) d3 would be dangerous.

The line played forced Blacks Knight back to h6 and White dictated play.

Nov-13-06  eaglewing: <gulliver: Endposition > You suggest g4 to prevent Nf5 and due to possible Ke4 and the disadvantages of g4 (g2 no more protects Nf3 and King restricted to 1st row) you conclude: No win.

I would prefer Re3, prevents both, Nf5 and Ke4. It tends to cut off the Black King from the kingside, takes control of the square d5 (Pd4 advance option) and aims for getting to the Pg7 (via Re5-g5 or e7 or e8-g8).

Maybe Re3 Kd6 Re5 Nf7 Re8 and White's rook behind the Black pawns means either conquering one or no pressure to d4 and 2nd row (Black might hold onto the pawn with moves Ra5 and g5).

However, I would neither resign nor conclude 'no win possible' and accept a draw. More or deeper analysis anyone?

Nov-13-06  Microbe: That was an excellent game. The flow of the knights tour. The clever tactics with move 17. It was just a lovely game to watch.
Nov-13-06  gulliver: Thanks for the feedback! I looked over your suggestions. For ex: 1. Re3 Kc4 2. Re5 Ra6 3. Kf2 and black still has some play. If 1. Ne5 Ke4 2. Rg3 Kxd4 seems risky for white
Nov-13-06
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  Peligroso Patzer: <Margulies: I liked 17.Bxh7+! Good for a puzzle!!

But, why not 20.Rxf6 ??>

Because Black plays 20. ... Rxf6 freeing the f8-square for his King after 21. Qh7+. White gets some additional checks and picks up the g7-pawn, but 20. Rxf6 is no more than a speculative exchange sacrifice. Being a pawn up already, White decided it was more prudent on his 20th move to defend his weakness at e3 by choosing 20. Rae1.

Nov-13-06
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  thegoodanarchist: I just assumed Black lost on time. He was under attack for much of the game and probably was in severe time trouble before move 40. It is just speculation....
Nov-13-06
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  kevin86: Could black have suffered a temporary chess blindness-mistaken thinking that white's rook on d3 was a knight-and seeing the Nb4+ would fork the roon and king-resigned in panic?
Nov-13-06
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  tamar: <Could black have suffered a temporary chess blindness-mistaken thinking that white's rook on d3 was a knight-and seeing the Nb4+ would fork the roon and king-resigned in panic?>

Yes,he realized Legky was poised to capture his unguarded macaroon which was sitting outside the a5 square :)

Nov-13-06  Petrocephalon: Why not 15..e4?
Nov-13-06
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  Phony Benoni: If you're going to make a puzzle out of this, use the position before 16.dxe5, which sets up the painfully obvious 17.Bxh7+.

In fact, I'll bet that's why Black resigned--once he missed 17.Bxh7+, he knew it wasn't going to be his day.

Nov-13-06
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  al wazir: <eaglewing>: Yes the line with 37. Rxe3 Nxe3 38. Re5 d4 is a *lot* more complicated than I first thought. I've spent a couple of hours analyzing it. I'm still not sure whether it wins or loses, but I'm unsurprised that white didn't play it.
Nov-13-06  Albertan: Negky could have played the move Bxh7+!? on move 11 with a possible continuation being: 17.Bxh7+!? Kxh7 18.Qh5+ Kg8 (the only move) 19.Ng6 Qe8 20.f5 Bxg3 21.hxg3 exf5 however despite this position looking dangerous for Black this only is an equal position according to the program Junior 9.
Nov-13-06  Albertan: Fingerov's 15th move appears to be a mistake. He should have played 15...e4 and gained equality after which play might have continued 16.Be2 Rb8 17.b3 Rb7 18.Ba6 Rc7 19.Bxc8 Rcxc8 =

Legky missed a stronger idea on move 18 (involving a combination using an exchange sacrifice) If 18.Bc2+ after 18...Kg8 19.Rxf6! Rxf6 20.Qh7+ Kf7 21.Qh5+ Kg8 22.Bh7+ Kf8 (the only move) 23.Qxe5 leaving White up two pawns.

Nov-13-06  black knight c6: someone put this through an engine and prove its a win for white. Also Rd2... Probably good to swap them off
Nov-13-06  Albertan: Another idea on move 22 is to play 22.Bf5 with this continuation possible:

22. Bf5 Bh5 23. g4 Bf7 24. Ng5 g6 25. Bd7 Be8 26.Be6+ Kg7 27. Rxf6 Rh8 (27...Rxf6? 28. Qh7+ Kf8 29. Qg8+ Ke7 30. Qg7+ Kd8 31.Qxf6+ Kc7 32. Rd1) 28. Qf2

Legky could have been up a bishop if this continuation had been played (starting on move 26):

26. g4 Rxg5 27.Qxg5 Bxg4 28. Rxf6 Qxf6 29. Qxg4

Nov-13-06  Albertan: Fingerov's 38th move gives White the advantage.Instead he should have played 38...Nh6 and gained an advantage after 39. Nf3 Rb8 40. Rf2 d4 41. cxd4 cxd4 42. Rh3 Kg8 43. Nxd4 Re1+ 44. Rf1 Re4 45. Nc2 Rxb2

A draw is possible if Black plays the move ...Rb8 on move 40 as this variation shows: 40... Rb8 41. Rhxd5 Rxb2 42. Rd8+ Kh7 43. Nf8+ Kh8 44. Ng6+ Kh7=

Nov-13-06  Albertan: <black knight c6: someone put this through an engine and prove its a win for white. Also Rd2... Probably good to swap them off>

Analysis using Junior 9 shows it is a draw after this possible continuation:

49.Rc3 a5 50. Rc5+ Kd6 51. Rg5 a4 52. Rxg7 Nf5 53. Ra7 a3 54. g4 Ra1+ 55. Kf2 Ra2+ 56. Ke1 Ne3 57. Nd2 Kd5 58. g5 Nc2+ 59. Ke2 Nxd4+ 60. Ke3 Nc2+ 61. Kf4 Nd4 62.Ra5+ Kc6 63. Nc4 Rg2 64. Ke4 Ne6 65. h4 a2 66. Kf3 Rc2 67. Ne3 Rd2 68. g6 Ng7 69. Kf4 Re2 70. Nd5 Rf2+ 71. Ke4 Re2+ 72. Kd3 Rh2 73. Rxa2 Rxh4 (73... Rxa2 74.Nb4+ Kd6 75. Nxa2 Ke5 =) 74. Ne3 Kc5 75. Ra5+ Kb6 76. Re5 Rh6 =

Nov-13-06
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  Phony Benoni: 49.Rd2 is certainly good for Black; he swaps rooks, grabs the d-pawn and has the advantage with his passed a-pawn.

Though I usually trust strong players in their evaluations of these positions, this certainly looks worth playing out for Black. His king and rook are very well-posted, and the a-pawn can easily become a threat. It would be interesting to know the full story of the finish.

Nov-13-06  Chess Classics: I don't see why you wouldn't play on-it's not as if the spectators are going to say, "Oh, look at that loser, he's playing on in a rook, knight and 3 pawn vs 2 pawn game. Haha!" Maybe black flagged?

Regards,
CC

Nov-14-06
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  al wazir: <black knight c6: someone put this through an engine and prove its a win for white.>

Prove? You are a trusting soul. You probably don't lose sleep over elections conducted with electronic voting machines or the vulnerability of Microsoft's operating systems.

Until chess programs become strong enough to consistently beat all human opponents (it probably won't be long now), they will remain a tool, not the infallible judge of right and wrong on the board.

Aug-03-07  sfm: Very fine defensive play by black, but, as suggested, probably at the expense of a running clock.
Apr-11-08  NM James Schuyler: al wazir, you are amusing. Maybe if a presidential election were at stake, I'd worry about Crafty's assessments. As it is, few positions are resignable that can't be conclusively demonstrated by a computer. Besides, computer analysis can be checked by a person.
Apr-12-08  euripides: According to <acirce> on the tournament page, this was a rapid tournament with 20 minutes per game. So I guess this was a loss on time.

Nov-30-08  garrido: the white timeless very in win
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