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Jan-25-06
 | | chessgames.com: Draw official. We'll switch to the Topalov game in just a minute. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | dakgootje: Yeah draw... |
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| Jan-25-06 | | dakgootje: <We'll switch to the Topalov game in just a minute.> thank you |
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| Jan-25-06 | | Ulhumbrus: After 26...Nb6 threatening to play the N to c4,Black has the advantage. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | CowardlyKnight: You guys are missing 26... Rxc1 |
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| Jan-25-06 | | CowardlyKnight: nevermind |
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Jan-25-06
 | | OhioChessFan: Seems like either Rc6 or Rxc1 is necessary. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | chessic eric: I have to add my admiration for the use of technology to relay live games in a forum in which commentary can be posted. At the same time, I deplore the use of technology/this forum to quote Fritz and other engine lines. If I wanted those lines rather than human insights/predictions - with whatever flaws - I'd buy the program and watch it alone. To me it is more instructive to see different players ideas in these positions and discuss the merits of them. I want more argument for the superiority of a position than +0.18 or -1.53. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | crewalex: BRAVO.... at least....realy a good game!!!!
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Jan-25-06
 | | plang: "I have to add my admiration for the use of technology to relay live games in a forum in which commentary can be posted. At the same time, I deplore the use of technology/this forum to quote Fritz and other engine lines." Why can't we have both? |
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| Jan-25-06 | | TheKraut: <chessgames.com> hello eyerybody! With regards to those who are talking about java-problems let me say this: im coming in with a sidekick-mobile that doesnt support java applets. So, im unable to view whether the corus-site nor this live-site here. Watching the M-A game for example i just can read the online notation and have a view on the clocks. Afterwards, im able to read the pgn-notations by the pgn-view-option. As a result, its a little bit boring to stay here for hours without being in involved in the other games. As it is obvious by many of the annotations here, even in this modern times not everyone is able to use/get java. This wonderful site here should offer an alternative way to get the notations of live-events like this. Thx! |
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| Jan-25-06 | | percyblakeney: <I deplore the use of technology/this forum to quote Fritz and other engine lines> I think it's interesting to know how the computers evaluate a position now and then... |
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| Jan-25-06 | | weltschmertz: personally i find it offensive when kibitzers who obviously have no idea what is going on in a game, again and again obtrude their worthless analysis... i myself wouldn't presume to tell people, "oh anand is won now" or "that's a crushing move!" the folks who do that are shown wrong time and again, and yet still continue to blight the page with their arrogance... when someone posts a computer evaluation it is a welcome visit from a truly qualified arbiter. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | Stevens: <chessic eric> i agree to some extent that fritz analysis might not be to everyones taste, but often people who dont have these engines ask for their output. As long as there are some people who are interested i think it's ok for people to post it. Opinions are often more interesting though than a simple stream of moves. |
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Jan-25-06
 | | offramp: In the end white didn't make anything of his control of d6zZzZzZzZ.... |
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| Jan-25-06 | | majick: I really don't understand why Anand didn't go for the full point here. He will certainly regret this decision in case Topa wins the tournament (which isn't exactly implausible at this moment!) |
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| Jan-25-06 | | AgentRgent: <weltschmertz: personally i find it offensive when kibitzers who obviously have no idea what is going on in a game, again and again obtrude their worthless analysis...> I think this is the very definition of Kibitzing. If we all were absolutely correct in our assessments, we'd be playing the game instead! I'm reminded of a quote (not sure by whom) "The forest would be very silent if no birds sang but the best." |
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| Jan-25-06 | | Unicornio: Anand doesnt seem to be interested in winning tournaments, some short draws in San Luis help him to not win, and seems that the same thing will happen here, he wont win cause games like these. |
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Jan-25-06
 | | WannaBe: My goodness, reading through all these posts, people gets a free membership, and are demanding games to be switched?! =) |
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| Jan-25-06 | | alicefujimori: <WannaBe>What's wrong with that? That's not even a right for the premium members, anyway... |
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| Jan-25-06 | | chessic eric: <plang> I have no problem with both, but in my experience watching San Luis and Corus on this site there is far more engine quoting than necessary, and it serves to limit what candidate moves are discussed. So to the extent that having one limits the quality of the other, I'd rather have people talking than posting computer lines.
<percyblakeney> I agree that they are useful and should have their place, but it seems to me that they are used to prove who is winning rather than fuel discussion which leads to understanding of the position. I don't play over games or watch live ones in the interest of knowing who won or is winning, but in improving my play/understanding of the game.
<Stevens> You are right, and my use of the word "deplore" was too strong, because I don't think they should be gone altogether, but rather relied on much less. I think we'd all learn more.
<weltschmertz> I think simplistic comments like those you are describing are also not particularly interesting, and certainly kibitzers need to provide their lines of thought. It is this meaningful dialogue bewteen human players (rather than simple statements) - however skilled they may be - that I would prefer to posted computer evaluations. After all, it is the combined chess-playing expertise of humans that emerged through the "dialogue" of centuries of games that has made computer engines what they are.
<AgentRgent> well said. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | lmBACK: FHBradley I have seen pictures of Alekhine, he didn't look overweight to me, at least not to Anand's level. Steinitz, maybe but that was in a less competetive chess era. Let's just say no modern day World Champion has been overweight. The point is of course being overweight effects one's mental faculties. The mind/body connection is well understood by science and the modern World Champions like Fischer and Kasparov who excersised regularly and maintained a healthy weight with the understanding that their chess performance was at stake. Garry Kasparov knew full well that he needed to stay fit to play top level chess. This is not contraversial stuff I'm saying... I'm surprised there are more people trying to argue with me than agree with such established knowledge. |
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Jan-25-06
| | OhioChessFan: My take on the computer analysis is that it's interesting to see what the engines suggest. I have no problem with people posting those, clearly identified as such. I don't have much use for people who post suggested moves that they obviously GOT from the computers, as if they found it on their own. It strikes me as bordering on plagiarism. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | Ulhumbrus: The threat of ..Nd7-b6-c4 gives Black the advantage. Anand agrees to a draw. Perhaps he does not consider that Black's advantage is sufficient to win, and he wants to conserve his energy for the games which he believes can be won. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | lmBACK: <and he wants to conserve his energy for the games which he believes can be won> Exactly my point about a chessplayer not being physically fit. The more out of shape a chessplayer is, the more conserving energy becomes a greater issue. |
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