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| Oct-07-06 | | babakova: Actually the forfeited game does matter, the match is tied 2-2 now. |
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 | | Sneaky: <Octavia: cg.com shouldn't say that Topalove leads by a point, since the not-played game is cintested. At the mo, they're =.> I guess they're realists. You don't honestly believe that game 5 will be replayed, do you? |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Libar: "Bleys": Topa is the future ... and the present too! |
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| Oct-07-06 | | percyblakeney: Kramnik's official home page gives the result 5-4 to Topalov (even if it says that Kramnik plays under protest). |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Libar: "Babakova": I don`t agree. The match is 3 - 2, now! |
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| Oct-07-06 | | suenteus po 147: <Sneaky> I, for one, certainly don't expect it to be played. Kramnik will complain anyway (after he has lost) and it will be nothing more than sour grapes. He will argue that the forfeited game and the dirty tactics affected his play and his concentration and tainted the whole match. He won't be wrong, but he also won't be the winner. The simple fact of the matter is, the whole match and both players have been tainted. Many will takes sides because they want to believe in one of the players or need to believe in one, but I am through with them both. FIDE has successfully killed my interest in WCC match play and I'm going back to following tournaments and supporting Kamsky (until he does something underhanded). |
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| Oct-07-06 | | mdamien: It says 4-5* -- the asterisk indicates that the score of 5 is arguable. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Libar: Tomorrow, will be Topa + 2. I`m waiting and believing! |
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Oct-07-06
 | | Open Defence: <suenteus po 147> he wouldnt be the first one to complain either.. Korchnoi protested a fair bit... but it didnt make any difference to the result and these things pass with time.. unless Kramnik wins the match... he might find it difficult to do anything but talk about what might have been....but I do hope Kramnik comes out fighting.. it would make for a great match.. by fighting I don't mean playing in a wild tactical style.. but fighting to win... |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Sibahi: Both players have to fight now. If Topalov wins the match with only one point many people will say he isn't the true champion. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | ajile: Weaselin played well today. But I expect Kramnik to roar back and still win the match. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | ongyj: I'm sorry to not watch the game LIVE. Brilliant, Topalov! No matter the fact that I'm extremely disguested by your play outside the game, like Kasparov, your play on the board simply won me over, yet again:) Now that's really a 2800+ playing world championship chess. But would you actually offer to replay game 5 now? I know that may be too much to ask, but I really wish you would, like many of your fellow chess fans,(or your, former chess fans, before game 5) I'm sure if you offer a replay FIDE would NOT reject! And really, it seems that you really outplay Kramnik on board games after all, just that you had a bad start despite standing better. Never mind all that, I hope you don't switch to a 'draw mode'and show us what a true champion you really are. Even if you don't replay game 5, please, at least win another game. That would be suffice to cover up for game 5, in my opinion:) |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Double O Seven: Kramnik will be champion!!!! |
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| Oct-07-06 | | percyblakeney: Kramnik has white in 2 of the last 3 games, so he shouldn't have too small chances. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | ganstaman: <Marmot PFL: Some strange decisions by Kramnik in this game, like dc4 developing white's bishop and giving up center, b5-b4 weakening pawn structure> You're other points may be more valid, but both of these are standard moves in the QG, and I would be shocked if all those years of theory turns out to be wrong. I may not quite know why these moves are strong, but I certainly know they aren't weak. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Zenchess: I don't like the way Topalov acted after he got down 2-0, either. But Kramnik let him get away with it. He never should have forfeited game 5. If you're playing basketball or baseball and the refs make a totally unfair decision, you don't call your players off the field. And you simply don't quit playing just because the chess officials made a totally unfair ruling. Kramnik was wrong to let Topalov gain that kind of power over him -- all he did was reward his childish behavior. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | euripides: <gansta, marmot> dxc4 and b5 are indeed normal in the Queen's Gambit, but the structure is a little unusual here once White has played f4. I think that may make c5 more appropriate in order to loosen White's central pawns. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | doglikegroove: <Zenchess: I think Kramnik resigned prematurely here...> I agree with your whole post. One need not even go to previous champions; I don't think that anyone here has forgotten the dreaded 'f5'. But that is the downside and upside of Topalov...
Downside: If he were made to keep playing, he might of screwed it up and lost. Upside: If he were made to play Kramnik's position, he would have kept playing, and as black might have pulled this out. One could construct converse statements about Kramnik's style of play. Equal but opposite styles, so at the end of the day, which one looks better comes down to which side of the hypen the 1 is on. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | babakova: Topalov has been playing the better chess in this match, there is no denying that. If he can chalk up another win I think he deserves to win, from a pure chessical point of view. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Eyal: <ongyj: But would you actually offer to replay game 5 now? I know that may be too much to ask, but I really wish you would, like many of your fellow chess fans,(or your, former chess fans, before game 5)> This possibility was raised during one of the commentary sessions in playchess.com, and in response Seirawan predicted that Topalov "will hang on to his win in game 5 like to his fisrt-born child" - and I'm afraid he is right. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | ongyj: I don't think the resignation was premature. White has a pawn up, doubled rooks and double Bishops, no evident pawn weaknesses, put the opponent King in a somewhat open, vulnerable position. A superior position in any aspect of evaluation. Also, White is nowhere near time trouble. In this kind of situation, there's really only two choices for Black. 1. Resign or 2.Watch the position further deteriorate until a severe material/positional disadvantage leading to checkmate. I think resignation was a better option to conserve strength for a possible fight tomorrow. |
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| Oct-07-06 | | ongyj: Well, then, if game 5 replay is impossible, I would still recognise the legitimacy of Topalov should he chalk up another win. Most importantly, I hope he won't switch to draw mode. After all, he did mention in an interview that he feels obligated to play exciting chess for chess fans, or have I misunderstood the article? Anyway, could this game be nominated for an immortal, or at least "game of the tournament" so far? |
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| Oct-07-06 | | BipolarFanatic: <Anyway, could this game be nominated for an immortal, or at least "game of the tournament" so far?> No, certainly not an immortal (too many dubious moves from Kramnik), and my "game of the tournament" would be the one where both of them didn't see the forced mate - just to show that two of the best chess players around miss these sort of things.... |
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| Oct-07-06 | | BipolarFanatic: ... or game 5 ;-) ... |
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| Oct-07-06 | | Per: Watching Topas play in Sofia, Linares and here, one get´s the impression he starts the tournament with his own, shaky play, and then, when he is behind, he starts playing almost perfect chess.
If anyone is using is getting computer advice in his ear, then it´s Topalov and nobody else. |
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