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Oscar Panno vs Hector Bravo Sedamanos
"Bravo!" (game of the day Jan-03-2025)
Fortaleza Zonal (1975), Fortaleza BRA, rd 3, Oct-??
English Opening: Symmetrical. Four Knights Variation (A35)  ·  0-1

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Feb-01-07  Towershield: FYI <chessmoron> claims to be a "Chinese Candidate master" see J Stocek vs Eingorn, 1998
Feb-01-07  DWINS: <Towershield>, Exactly. It was in response to your asking <chessmoron> if he uses a computer that I first posted that he did.

I had long known that <chessmoron> uses a computer but had never commented on it. However, when he out and out denied it I felt compelled to expose him and will continue to do so until he finally grows a pair and admits that he does so. I really dislike unethical people. There are many others on this site but he is the most prolific poster and as such must be exposed.

Feb-01-07  positionalgenius: ..and the trolls are out.
Feb-01-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <However, when he out and out denied it I felt compelled to expose him and will continue to do so until he finally grows a pair and admits that he does so. I really dislike unethical people. There are many others on this site but he is the most prolific poster and as such must be exposed.>

Hurrah, the internet police are keeping us safe!

Get a life, DWINS.

Feb-01-07  DWINS: <keypusher>, Lead your life the way you want to. If I see a fraud in real life or on the internet I will expose it. Some people appreciate it.
Feb-01-07  Whack8888: Does 28...Ne2+ work also--

28...Ne2+ and if 29. Kh1 (the only King move available) 29...Rf1+ will mate 29. Rexe2 loses to Rf1# and if 29. Rdxe2 Qxe2 and if 30. Rexe2 Rf1# and all 30. Queen moves either lead to mate on e1 or on f1.

Does anyone see why this would be worse than what was actually played--it is pretty much the same combination but just in a slightly different order of attack.

Feb-01-07  Whack8888: Ok, looked back through the pages a bit--29. Rdxe2 Qxe2 and then 30. Nf6+ preventing the mate on f1 and I believe it is a pretty even R, Q and a bunch of pawns endgame
Feb-01-07  beatles fan: Incredable... everyone is against Chessmoron
Feb-01-07  chessmoron: <beatles fan> I only see 2. Go ahead hate me as well.
Feb-01-07  ganstaman: <DWINS: There is no room for debate whether or not he uses a computer. He does so without even a shadow of a doubt. I will continue to point this out until he admits to it.>

1) It's great to be so closed minded. Truly a mark of great intelligence.

2) Even if he uses a computer, so what? Oh no, someone's ego may be hurt because some random guy on an anonymous internet forum claimed to solve a puzzle more easily than him. Boo hoo.

3) Puzzle solving ability and actually playing ability aren't the same thing. Every position in a game is not 'white-to-play-and-win.' If you treat it like it is, you won't do so well.

4) Nice game. That back rank never had a chance.

Feb-01-07  mitsuo: In the defense of <chessmoron>, if he is still under verbal attack, I also found the solution leading to the backrank mate, and I can assure everyone that my rating is far below the 2000 level. If I am able to find this, despite taking a fair chunk of time, then I would not be surprised if <chessmoron> found the solution as well, for his posts are clearly more qualified than mine.

<Kaissa99>
<Just look at the most current puzzle - today's, he claimed that he found the solution that was even better than in the game.> <There will always be someone who is smarter,better,faster stronger than yourself, I do not have a problem with this but apparently, Chess Moron does.>

You may wish to clarify your argument, since, with your two quotes in conjunction, it seems that your line of reasoning has a few holes in it.

Feb-02-07  positionalgenius: Btw,that backrank mate was easy. Any good player would easily spot it.
Feb-02-07  uniqueid: Although I love the drama going on here between <chessmoron> and others, I'd like throw my advice and end it for everyone's good. <chessmoron> it never hurts to be humble. Im not sure if you want some kind of validation of your skills against the rest of us here, an internet forum is not the right place to look for that !!
Feb-02-07  who: <gangstaman> Hans Berliner thinks from move 1 white should think the position is "white to play and win".
Feb-02-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <<chessmoron> it never hurts to be humble. Im not sure if you want some kind of validation of your skills against the rest of us here, an internet forum is not the right place to look for that !!>

Not to continue beating this dead horse, but what is the problem people have with <chessmoron>? Do people really think you have to be some kind of super-GM to see 29...Rf1+? Yes, the player of the Black pieces here didn't see it, but we've seen examples of much stronger players missing much easier combinations many times. Hell, we've seen a WC overlook a mate in one!

If <chessmoron> has been particularly arrogant or show-offy, I guess I have just missed it. If I have missed it, please, please don't enlighten me, because I DON'T CARE. Neither should anyone else.

For those who feel compelled to object to his posts everytime he points out a combination, why not take him up on his offer and play a game with him? Maybe he's just good.

Feb-02-07  uniqueid: <keypusher> I couldnt care less if <chessmoron> uses a program or not, what I do feel is a pain is scrolling through useless kibitzes of people claiming to have solved the puzzle within microseconds. I just want to see some good analysis that I cannot do myself because of my limited resources.
Feb-02-07  chessmoron: <uniqueid> I never imply anything that I solve in nanosecond. I am a frequent kibitzer who comments on these daily puzzles and makes me a simple target to criticize my abilities.

If you want analysis on games, see my game collection.

Jan-02-25  EvanTheTerrible: Bravo!
Jan-03-25
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: ⭐⭐/⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ (2 out of 6 stars)

<An interesting game between well-matched players that are both IMs. The game has been GoTD or Move of the Day, or this game has a page of one good kibitz, then drivel.>

Jan-03-25  Teyss: We had been warned: Caruana vs N Theodorou, 2024 (kibitz #3) C'mon it's not that bad, we had worse notably from Missy herself.

28...Black to play was a Thursday puzzle in 2007. Summary of some posts above: 28...Qe2!! is the right move and not 28...Ne2+? because of 29.Rdxe2 Qxe2 30.Nf6+! blocking the f-file.


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30...Rxf6 31.exf6 Qxa2 (or other) the material is equal and Black's attack is gone (+0.5 at 36 ply).

Obviously White didn't see 28...Qe2!! else he wouldn't have played 28.fxe5? but 28.Qg5 forcing the trade of Queens (+0.1 at 34 ply).

Jan-03-25  goodevans: Black's penultimate move was very neat and White can be forgiven for missing it but Black's last move was actually a mistake, missing a forced mate. Good enough to elicit a resignation though which I guess is what counts in the end.
Jan-03-25
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp:
Vector bravo sierra, are you receiving me, over?

Receiving you Knut-Ove Loken, over.

Er, received Ove, Bravo, Oscar Panno papa - please repeat message over, Ove.

Today's game!? Bravo Panno, over Ove. Beta getta beta pooter dude!!

Jan-03-25  EvanTheTerrible: I apologize for putting this "pun" into the world.
Jan-03-25
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: Whatever, all is well. No need to hector you about it.
Jan-03-25  newzild: 29...Rf1+ mates in four:

30. Rxf1 Qxf1+
31. Rxf1 Ne2+
32. Khi Rxf1 mate

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