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Franklin Young vs L Dore
"Dumb L Dore" (game of the day May-30-2014)
Casual game (1892), Boston Press club, Boston, MA USA, Nov-08
Danish Gambit: General (C21)  ·  1-0

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May-30-14  Jim Bartle: Some of the conservatives used "Democrat party." OCF was never one of them.
May-30-14  stingray0104: White takes a move longer to mate so that he can win in the flashiest possible way.

Very cool final position, but can't say I was all that impressed with black's play.

May-30-14  morfishine: I agree with <OhioChessfan>. It doesn't matter much who submits any arcane or banal pun; but <CG> should draw the line

Any term like 'dumb' or 'stupid' should not be attached to any chess player at any time. No matter how poor or inept one may play at any given time, one is always thinking and planning, and so is not 'dumb', despite the result

<Redshield> This phrase today is hardly a masterpiece; On the other hand, <The Sinking of the Graf's play> is or was definitely brilliant and I'm at a loss as to how this has not been approved

*****

May-30-14  Blunderdome: The pun is mean
May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: < keypusher: <thegoodanarchist: <OhioChessFan: I think <chessgames.com> crossed the line of having fun with a name vs. making fun of a name with this pun. -100> From the guy who says "Democrat Party" when the name is "Democratic Party".

Lose your hypocrisy.>

Seriously?

There are dictionaries all over the web. If you don't know what a word means, you can look it up. You even know how to spell it!>

From the one who thought Stalingrad was in Ukraine!! LMAO

Keep the jokes coming, please.

May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: < OhioChessFan: I have <thegoodanarchist> on ignore, but I see from <keypusher> he has <once again> repeated his lie about what I've said. I challenge anyone to show where I've used the phrase "Democrat Party". I am sick of <thegoodanarchist> lying about me and regret even seeing his comments second hand.>

OMG just check the Rogoff page from a few months ago.

I am not a liar, despite what OCF claims. My goodness, selective memory is not becoming on you (or anyone else).

May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: <OhioChessFan: <JB: They make it tougher for some people to vote, largely Democratic ones.>

Well, yeah, most the really stupid people who can't follow instructions tend to be Democrats.>

From our holier than thou friend <OCF> on Page 4837 of the Kenneth Rogoff

but we cannot have cg.com insulting anyone! After all, that is <OCF>s domain.

Then there is this:

< OhioChessFan: ...- Democrat Jesus>

on page 4845 of the Rogoff page:

Kenneth Rogoff

Oh, sorry, I misremembered the noun to which you attached the adjective. I must be a liar! Or it was 7 freaking months ago and I misremembered the noun. Hmm, I wonder which one is the truth....

But your legalism requires that I must be lying. That way you can avoid defending your BS and claim it is my fault instead of you being full of it.

May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: Waiting for <keypusher> to show up and defend <OCF> now that I have quoted <OCF> insulting Dems as "stupid".

crickets.....

May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: <OhioChessFan: ...Democrat Party" returned zero hits. Best stay away, <tga> you're just not cut out for this sort of thing. Just saying.>

You are right, I am not cut out for denial, unlike you. Which is why I posted several posts showing what you are full of.

Leave debate to the intellectually honest folk, please.

May-30-14  TheFocus: This game looks composed.
May-30-14  thegoodanarchist: <TheFocus: This game looks composed.>

1892 was part of the romantic era of chess. You should compare this game with others of the era. You will then realize it probably was <not> composed.

For example, look at the Immortal Game, or the Evergreen Game.

May-30-14  waustad: Why are you getting into political twaddle here? Remember where "poly" + "ticks" comes from = "many" + "blood sucking parasites." Ugh. A plague on both your houses, especially the ones who use robocalls.
May-30-14  Granny O Doul: "Dumb L Dore" is one of the greatest titles in the history of this site. I do share TheFocus's doubts about the game's authenticity, though.
Dec-05-15  KaosKid: One of my most favorite games. White sacs all his pieces and checkmates with his only remaining piece!
Oct-04-16  Moszkowski012273: I think black SERIOUSLY underestimated his chances.
Oct-04-16  Moszkowski012273: Or "her"!
Feb-14-23  generror: Maybe the best example of very entertaining, yet completely insane and unsound Romantic 19th-century play, with all the art and subtlety of a kindergarden brawl :D

Fittingly, it starts with the Danish Gambit -- I'm always happy if someone plays that one against me, I just take the pawns offered, then develop solidly and have a really nice position. Here however about about every second move is, objectively speaking, a mistake and/or a straight blunder. Stockfish's evaluation flaps around wildly, with the climax reached with <13...fxg5??>, where the position goes from -4 to +6 -- i.e. Black gives away a winning game by blundering the equivalent of his queen. (Some people don't seem to mind, but I'm too much of an autist that the stupidity of it doesn't affect my aesthetic enjoyment.)

But from then on, White actually plays faultlessly (Stockfish does prefer <17.Nxe7>, but Stockfish always finds something to nag), and the game ends with a lovely smothered mate. This ending position (D) makes all the mindless previous moves worth it:


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Here Black is up a whopping 17 points of material, but most of it is just there to help suffocating his king.

This ending of course does look like a composition, but I'm pretty sure this was played out as it is because of all its mistakes and blunders which are just typical of club play of that era. It's an extreme example, but there are hundreds of similar games; and it's not even *that* extreme because the exact same game seems to have been replayed in H E Atkins vs H Jacobs, 1915 (chess really is a very limited game, but pst, don't tell anyone).

Feb-14-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: One can well imagine how Young might have annotated this sacrificial masterpiece in one of his works:

<The gallant White steed, having watched his colleagues give themselves up for greater glory, levels the final blow on the right oblique flank.>

Feb-15-23  generror: Here's Young's actual comment to this game:

<This game illustrates a line of mobilization by the right, combined with a complex line of manoeuvre against an objective plane located on the centre and compromised by the formation of the minor left oblique.>

From his <Grand Tactics of Chess>, Boston 1898, p.412f. https://books.google.de/books/about...

I can only heartily recommend to read his <Chess Player's Epitome> (p.387ff), a set of XX rules easy to remember rules where you will learn everything about "objective planes", "strategetic masses", "radii of offence" and "pawn altitudes", that will definitively help you improve your game:

<In every situation the student, by means of these rules, will be able to apply to the best advantage all the chess capacity that he possesses; and he should never forget that at all times the ideal move is: --

To create a Strategetic Mass, having the Strategetic Offensive, and to direct it along a Strategic Line of Operations against the Objective Plane.>

Someone solved chess in 1898 and nobody noticed...........

Feb-15-23  generror: (That last sentence should *definitively* be one of those maxims cg.com displays whenever you post something XD)
Feb-15-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <generror>, I recall coming across Young's work in a book store in my early playing days, ca 1973-75 and almost being overcome by his turgid prose.
Feb-15-23  Amarande: <generror> Some of Young's terminologies might be useful, though (although others are even more baroque than Nimzowitsch).

"Objective Plane" is probably the one that most sticks out in my mind - I have not to my knowledge seen any other author define such a concise term for this very specific strategic "bullseye" zone around the king (King's Field is probably the closest common term, but normally refers to a wider area, while Objective Plane much more specifically refers to the exact squares that need to be controlled at the conclusion of a mating attack).

Young was also one of the first to emphatically note that one (not even Steinitz) can win a game solely by defense: only by first turning the tables and seizing the attacker role can the defender hope to win the game ("All else being equal, the strategetic defensive always loses. Things being unequal, the strategetic defensive may draw. Whether things be equal or unequal, the strategetic defensive never can win." Actually perhaps one of the most depressing sets of principles known to humankind, since more or less this applies to almost any adversarial situation ... but true nonetheless.)

Sep-22-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: The finish reminds me of NN vs Greco, 1625, except that Greco had a lot more pieces left than Young did.
Sep-29-24
Premium Chessgames Member
  GrahamClayton: Unusual to see a smothered mate in the middle of the board.
Sep-29-24  sudoplatov: Sacrificing his entire Left Oblique Accepted but Partially Refused.
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