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| Oct-17-09 | | DarthStapler: I got the first move and considered the second move |
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| Oct-17-09 | | WhiteRook48: I tried Qxf7??? |
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| Oct-17-09 | | BOSTER: No doubt that move 24...Qb7 <patzer2> is the good defensive move and black can play much longer then in the real game.But, is this enough to equalize the game? |
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| Oct-18-09 | | patzer2: <Boster> Probably against best play 24...Qb7 is not enough to equalize, but it may be enough to draw. Certainly against less than strong play, it's enough for a higher rated player with the Black pieces to equalize and even win. |
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Oct-25-09
 | | LIFE Master AJ: [Event "URS-ch03"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "1924.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Romanovsky, Peter Arsenievich"]
[Black "Grigoriev, Nikolay Dmitrievich"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B24"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "1924.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "17"]
[EventCountry "URS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1999.07.01"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. Nge2 a6 6. d3 b5 7. O-O Bb7 8. f4 Nd4 9. Nd5 d6 10. c3 Ne6 11. f5 Nc7 12. Nef4 Nf6 13. Nxc7+ Qxc7 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. exd5 c4 16. fxg6 hxg6 17. d4 Bf6 18. Be3 Rh5 19. g4 Rh4 20. g5 Bh8 21. Qf3 Rh7 22. Bh3 Kd8 23. Rae1 Bc8 24. Be6 fxe6 25. Qf8+ Kd7 26. Qg8 exd5 27. Qxh7 Bb7 28. Rf7 Qd8 29. Bd2 Kc6 30. Rfxe7 Qc8 31. R1e6 Kb6 32. Rxb7+ 1-0 |
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| Apr-06-16 | | SimplicityRichard: A brilliant game! Nevertheless, the ECO for this game is not A07 but B23; this is not a King's Indian Attack but a Closed Sicilian Fianchetto variation.# |
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| Apr-06-16 | | SimplicityRichard: Or more precisely B24 as indirectly pointed out by <LIFE Master AJ> game illustration.# |
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| Jul-17-21 | | Brenin: 24 Qxf7 is tempting, but apparently insufficient, while 24 Be6 looks good enough, e.g. 24 ... fxe6 25 Qf8+ Kd7 26 Qg8 Rh5 27 Qxe6+ Kf8 28 Qxg6+. |
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| Jul-17-21 | | mel gibson: I didn't see that.
Stockfish 13 agrees with the text:
24. Be6
(24. Be6 (♗h3-e6 ♕c7-b8
♗e6xf7 ♗c8-f5 ♗f7-g8 ♖h7-g7 ♗g8-e6 ♗f5-d3 ♖f1-f2 ♔d8-c7 ♗e3-f4 ♔c7-b6
♗f4-g3 ♔b6-a7 a2-a3 ♕b8-c7 h2-h4 ♔a7-b6 ♔g1-g2 ♖a8-e8 ♔g2-h2 ♖g7-h7 ♕f3-e3
♖e8-b8 ♖f2-f3 a6-a5 ♕e3-f2 ♕c7-d8 ♕f2-d2 ♔b6-a7 ♔h2-g2 ♕d8-c7 ♕d2-f2 ♔a7-b6
♖f3-f8 ♕c7-b7 ♖f8-f7 ♖h7xf7 ♕f2xf7 b5-b4 ♗e6-g4 b4xc3 b2xc3 ♔b6-a6)
+5.15/40 279)
score for White +5.15 depth 40 |
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| Jul-17-21 | | Walter Glattke: A) 24.Qxf7? Rxf7 25.Rxf7 Bd7? 26.Rf8+ Rxh8 / 25.-Bxh3 26.Rf8+ Kd7 27.Rxa8 -+
B) 24.Be6 dxe6 25.dxe6 Bg7 26.Qxa8 / 25.-Rb8? 26.Qf8#
C) 24.-f6 25.Qxf6 Bxf6 26.Rxf6 Bxe6 27.Bg5 Kc8 28.dxe6 Kb7 29.e7 Re8 30.Rf8 d5 31.Re3 Qd7 -++
C2) 25.Bg5 Bxe6 26.Bxf6+ Kc8 27.dxe6 Rb8 28.e7 ++- |
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| Jul-17-21 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: I went with 24 Qxf7, correctly judging that the result would be material near-parity plus a dangerous attack. Unfortunately, as the engine points out, the dangerous attack is by BLACK, and while loses emphatically. |
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| Jul-17-21 | | stacase: 24.Be6 doesn't leave Black any good moves. White's Queen finally cleans up like you would clean a fish. I was happy to get the first two moves on a Saturday. |
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Jul-17-21
 | | perfidious: <jls....The sound you hear from my post is the crisp crack of self-flagellation.> Never had the impression you ran that way. (laughs) |
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| Jul-17-21 | | agb2002: Black threatens Bxh3.
The white queen x-rays the rook on a8 and the square f8. These details suggest 24.Be6: A) 24... fxe6 25.Qf8+ (25.dxe5, with the double threat Qxa8 and Qf8#, is met with 25... Qb7) 25... Kd7 26.Qg8 A.1) 26... Rh5 27.Qxe6+ Ke8 (27... Kd8 28.Rf8#) 28.Qxg6+ Kd7 (28... Kd8 29.Rf8+ Ke7 30.Qe8#) 29.Qxh5 wins decisive material. A.2) 26... Rh4 27.Qxe6+ Ke8 28.Qxg6+ Kd7 29.Qe6+ Ke8 30.Qg8+ Kd7 31.Bf2 A.2.a) 31... Rg4+ 32.Bg3 looks winning. For example, 32... Bxd4+ 33.cxd4 Qb6 34.Rxe7+ Kxe7 35.Rf7#. A.2.b) 31... Rh3 32.Bg3 as above.
B) 24... Bxe6 25.dxe6 Ra7(b8) 26.exf7 Bg7 27.f8=Q+ Bxf8 28.Qxf8+ wins a piece. C) 24... f5(6) 25.gxf6
C.1) 25... exf6 26.Bg5 wins a pawn at least (26... fxg5 27.Qf8#). C.2) 25... Bxf6 26.Bg5 as above. |
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Jul-17-21
 | | chrisowen: Nestle i key nikeys Be6 honour key i a district nancies a keyums nestle prognosis key o quagmire bijou key o nikeys oak haw its wu cuddly flute its viz its pragmatic honey bijou i key we duets it okay a key o totups fiddle occurs garcon haggle ko its ajar o key i aorta its whom bell its homers i keys it syrup flavour dante its okay i key its myth deer its whim Be6 mitre; |
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| Jul-17-21 | | alshatranji: It looks rather complicated, but White doesn't really have a lot of options to advance his position. Still, 29. Bf4 seems more effective, unless I missed something. |
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| Jul-17-21 | | alshatranji: Is this really chrisoewn in the first post? He is almost fully coherent. It's kind of eerie. "the revelation of Be6 dawned once I couldn't get Bxc8 to work"--that's very good. |
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Jul-17-21
| | chrisowen: Busy bee no? |
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Jul-17-21
| | chrisowen: Need Graf no |
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| Jul-17-21 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: I'm not feeling bad because I went wrong on the solution, with my mad sacrifice, which the King surely would play: 24. ♕xf7 ♖xf7 25. ♖xf7 ♗xh3 26. ♖f8+ ♔d7 27. ♖xa8 ♗f6 28. gxf6 exf6... ± |
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Jul-17-21
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Ok I found 24 Be6 but was not sure how to proceed after 24...Qb7 (providing an escape square for the king) 25 Bxf7 Bf5.
click for larger view26 Bg8 attacking the rook looks interesting but how to follow up? 
click for larger view |
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Jul-17-21
| | chrisowen: Four-codes all lot no the bangers no? |
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| Jul-17-21 | | johnlspouge: @<perf>: Self-flagellation is still a constant friend 12 years later (rueful laugh). |
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| Jul-17-21 | | saturn2: <Jimfromprovidence: 24 Be6 Qb7 25 Bxf7 Bf5>
White can play 26.Be6 and after an exchange of bishops and queens doubling rooks on the f file white seems good for a win with the plus pawn. |
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| Jul-17-21 | | devere: 24. Be6 is much too obvious for a Saturday. And it seems that Black should try 24...f6, although White still has a winning attack. |
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sac: 24.Be6