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| Jul-17-10 | | Mr. Bojangles: Kramnik was smoked like a cuban cigar!
No doubt he would be eager to bounce back now.
Kudos to Pono, his play was very high quality in a complex game. Shame he rarely shows this level of play against other players and tends to roll over. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | kellmano: Is anyone else starting to worry that the Catalan is a win for white? |
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| Jul-17-10 | | MrMelad: This has to be one of Pono's best ever games! A brilliant and not obvious attack starting with <16.Bxd5!> forcing one of the best players in the world to resign in less then 40 moves facing inevitable promotion. After years of being among the best players in the world, Ponomariov is possibly advancing to the next level. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | Nimzonick: 16.Bxd5! and it took him a full 9 moves before he regained the material (with interest!). Definitely not a "Class C" move, more like a world-class GM move. Great win for Ponomariov. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | MindCtrol9: I think V Kramnik has played a very weak game.I have respect for him,but this game is not what I was expected from a former World Champion.I do hope he plays better the next one. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | Call me Ishmael: This game is a Bogo-Indian by the way..Bd2 is out of place in a Catalan. CG should correct this because I believe this game will be remembered for a very long time. We just witnessed a gem, an Evergreen Game for the 21st century. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | MindCtrol9: I knew a player was going to come up with something.This game that Kramnik played leaving the dark square Bishop unprotected(move 10) was the key for what happend .A GM knows this very well which could be a theme for a combination.White took advantage of this,but I can not compare this game with The Evergreen or the other inmortal one.I do not say is not a good game,it is a good game played by White. |
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| Jul-18-10 | | MindCtrol9: AuN1:You got it right. |
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| Jul-18-10 | | Call me Ishmael: <mindCtrol9> I'm not sure I understand your logic. All chess victories are the result of a mistake by the opponent. Why can't you compare this game to the Evergreen or other immortal games? They too were the result of a mistake by the opponent. In this game a seemingly innocuous mistake leads to a spectacular multiple move sacrifice combination which forces a win. No different than these other games: Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851
Morphy vs T Lichtenhein, 1857
Spassky vs Bronstein, 1960
What makes this game even better is that it was against a former world champion!! |
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| Jul-19-10 | | Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.
10...Qc8 loses another tempo for development, as the move does not connect the Rooks. After 12 Rac1 White's pieces are four moves ahead in development of Black's pieces, although it is Black's turn to move. All the same, an alternative to 12 Rac1 is 12 f4. Instead of 14...cxd5, 14...exd5 may be better, as after this the c6 pawn is free to move. 15...g5? disturbs the King side pawns without necessity and this in a position where Black is far behind in development. Ponomariev reacts with a piece sacrifice on d5, opening lines for his further developed pieces. Instead of this 15...Rd8 attempts to catch up in development and clears the f8 square for Black's N. |
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| Jul-19-10 | | Kinghunt: < Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.> Annotating by result. 4...Be7 is the main move in that position and a very well accepted part of Catalan theory. |
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| Jul-20-10 | | Ulhumbrus: <Kinghunt: < Ulhumbrus: 4...Be7 loses a tempo for development.>
Annotating by result. 4...Be7 is the main move in that position and a very well accepted part of Catalan theory.> No, annotating by the observation that 4...Be7 does move the bishop a second time, and so loses a tempo for development. |
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| Jul-21-10 | | anjyplayer: elegance at its best. |
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| Jul-25-10 | | MrSpock: Hi all :-)
10. ... Qc8 (?) is the move which allows this excellent attack. But after 17. ... Bd8 instead of Qd8 the game stays thrilling. Brilliant game bei Pomo :-))) |
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| Jul-26-10 | | Nouvelle: <Call me Ishmael> You know, Morphy is Ponomariov´s favorite old-time World Champion ;) |
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| Jul-26-10 | | whiteshark: Funny caricature(s) of Ponomariov-Kramnik: http://www.chessvibes.com/cartoons/... by Jose Diaz: http://www.diazcartoons.nl/ |
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| Jul-28-10 | | hellopolgar: sun tzu:
<It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles.> to beat the all-mighty kramnik, you must shift him out of his comfort zone, and pono's <15. Bf4> is a bait for kramnik who moved his pawn to <g5> thus giving pono the chance to pull off the sacrifice with the next move <16. Bxd5>, this move doesn't win the game instantly as analysis shows that the position is still pretty even, but this sacrifice made kramnik really really uncomfortable thus blundered 17. ... Qd8 and he never recovered. |
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| Aug-09-10 | | Whitehat1963: The end might have been tricky, but Pono played perfectly, of course. |
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| Aug-10-10 | | culei: Even though 20 nxq look good it actually
Loses to the preassure of the 2 bishops
But well maybe 19 qb3 was much better or at least that's what I tought
,Didn't give it much brain I'm saying this by memory but maybe the knight could do
Some harm. But anyway great play by pom I wish I coulddefeat kramnik. |
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Sep-13-10
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Good play by Kramnik, Pono was squashed, he never had a chance. |
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| Sep-13-10 | | rapidcitychess: <LMAJ> I thought white was Kramnik too! |
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Sep-13-10
 | | tamar: Good game to study, fantastic recognition by Ponomariov, when confronted by the offbeat 10...Qc8, to see d5 is vulnerable. |
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Sep-13-10
| | LIFE Master AJ: Retraction - I only briefly glanced at the header ... and assumed it was Kramnik who won. Obviously, Pono played a brilliant game. |
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| Sep-17-10 | | castle dweller: Can't you hear Kramnik screaming "CAN I PASS" instead of being forced to make a move on #35! |
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| Sep-20-10 | | Bobwhoosta: <Ulhumbrus 4.Be7 loses a tempo for development> That was black's plan when he played Bb4+. He doesn't want to trade the d2 bishop when White moves Bd2, and I don't think it's okay when he plays Qe7 because white's a3 is very uncomfortable (either he develops white's queen for him with Bxd2 or he's forced back into a passive position that lacks flexibility). So, black's idea is this: "If I can get White's bishop onto d2, it eliminates Bb2 options for the future, and places the bishop on a bad square where it is not well developed. On d2 it blocks the queen's view of the d4 pawn, causing possible problems with development in the future." Therefore, since bd2 is developed into a worse position than Be7, black basically developed his bishop to e7 while forcing white's bishop onto a bad square. White would probably actually rather have it on c1 right now, and the only benefit I see to it being on d2 is white can rc1 earlier than in other lines. So, your analysis of be7 is quite shallow at best. |
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