Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

Jose Raul Capablanca vs John Carson Rather
"Rather Not" (game of the day Oct-14-2011)
Simul, 32b (1936) (exhibition), Marshall CC, New York, NY USA, Dec-14
Formation: King's Indian Attack (A07)  ·  1-0



explore this opening
find similar games 1,166 more games of Capablanca
sac: 18.Nxd5 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Nov-17-11  Lambda: <Capa's second move has me scratching my head 2 Ne2---huh?>

Presumably, it's to leave the f-pawn free to advance.

Nov-17-11  scormus: <sevenseaman <CG> could easily & fairly have interchanged today's puzzle with the one they put out yesterday. What dya say?>

Certainly! A <rather> clear cut winning line today.

I think 17 Qg5+ is the only move that wins immediately. 17 Qh6 doesnt seem to work but I wondered about 17 dxe4 dxe4 18 Qg5+ Kh8. Then 19 Nxe4 which wins in different ways if any of 19 ... Qe5 or ... Rg8 or ... Nex4. But B can play on for a while after the quiet defense 17 ... Rh8

Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Ar tis o went forth in a sac h7, bh3 is my kind combination pity Rather g5 use stealth in picking mix h8 nxd5 bombing it down the flan him.
Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: For those not familiar with theory ... ... ...

2.Ne2 (or even 2.Nc3 and 3.Nge2) is a signal of a closed Sicilian ... or possibly something more devious.

See Soltis vs A J Goldsby, 1981.

The night before this game, I studied Dragon lines for hours, only to have GM Soltis, (who - at the time - was probably one of the 10-15 best players in the whole country); play something I had never seen before. (Which was true, back then. And there is a moral in here ... somewhere ...)

Today, I have used this system a few times myself ...

Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: <<Nov-17-11 morfishine: I'd have to conclude that Mr. Rather was a weak player. There is one other game in the database [by him]. 10-years after his loss to Capa, he loses in 10-moves from the White-side of a KGA: Rather vs G Gresser, 1946>>

I'd rather not say this, but I thought we were talking about Dan Rather, the TV news anchor. (hee-hee) Of course, he would rather do the evening broadcast than play chess. ;p

Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: Where is <Once> when you need him?

I am sure he could come up with something better than my trite comment ... but maybe ... he'd rather not.

Nov-17-11  SlevinKelevra: Hey I don't know if this is original or not, but I just thought of this puzzle:

If every pawn had the power of the Queen from the start of the game, and all other pieces and rules remained the same, which side would have a guaranteed winning strategy? Or would both players draw if they played perfectly?

Nov-17-11  Nemesistic: <SlevinKelevra> Sounds more like some Checkers-hybrid game to me! Have you ever read up on the Origins of chess that started in India around 500 BC ? The rule's are bizarre,but interesting..
Nov-17-11  MaxxLange: Ah, the dreaded Formation: King's Indian Attack!

Returning a pawn with 16...e3 would have broken up this nice combination, because, after that, an eventual ...Qxd5 would be check

Nov-17-11  David2009: Rather lost rather quickly after 13...Bxg2. He had to hand his booty back with 13...cxd4 14.Bxh3 dxc3 15.Qxc3 e6. But which of us wouldn't have tried the same thing? Not a bad game to lose - he went down to an attractive combination. Earlier, perhaps 9...Re8 holding on to the B was better than 9...a6.
Nov-17-11  BOSTER: Really black was first in this game to begin the combinative game playing 10...Nd4 and 12...Bxh3 , and white was forced to play 13.Nxd4.

Maybe playing 13... Bxg2 black still visualized the black bishop on c8-h3 diagonal.

I don't think that black could afford the move 14. Nf5+, destroying the all black position.

Even after this if black was not so greedy, he could play h6 and Rh8, but after fxe4, and d5 the fighting began not against pos.,but against human's nature.

Nov-17-11  sevenseaman: Hi <David> Where you been? Your avatar shows a chessboard but the man behind looks as though he is poised to conjure up an abracadabra. Welcome.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <sevenseaman> Tis' the season to become acquainted with The Turk (Automaton).
Nov-17-11  LIFE Master AJ: Black looked like his opening was fine. Just maybe got too greedy ...
Nov-17-11  sevenseaman: <PB> Incredible! So basically The Turk(Automaton) was a grandmaster hidden in the innards of a machine. Now who could it be? It had to be some very good contemporary chess master.

It took a Cochrane to defeat it. Presumably it was in a public show where defeat for the magician is simply unacceptable.

Could Cochrane have had a connection with the putative mechanical contraption and its feats?

Good choice of an avatar <David>. The revelations have taken a smirk off my face!

Many thanks <PB>; you are a treasure on this site, pardon my brashness!

Nov-18-11  morfishine: <Phony Benoni> Nice Avatar!

<sevenseaman> I think Pillsbury was the "Turk" at least for awhile

Premium Chessgames Member
  Phony Benoni: <morfishine> The Turk was destroyed before Pillsbury's time. His machine was Ajeeb (Automaton).
Nov-18-11  David2009: <sevenseaman: Hi <David> Where you been?> Trips, a calculation; playing real chess. The calculation: drop an aluminium-alloy sphere heated to 560 degrees C into water: calculate the plastic residual stresses. I have spent far too long on this and meanwhile the experiment is due in December. There will not be any plastic flow (if everything remainss elastic): it all depends on the heat transfer. Plastic flow is certainly predicted if it is assumed that the surface drops as if by magic to a uniform 100 deg C on entry. But the steam formed can act as a partial insulater (Leidenfrost effect), and with other assumptions no plastic flow is predicted. In short, the predictions depends on what heat transfer assumptions are made.

Real chess: White (me) to play and lose:

click for larger view

(Rapide de Montbron 2011). Seven games; four blunders (one blunder unpunished) so 4/7. I played 13.Bg5??.

Nov-20-11  morfishine: <Phony Benoni> Thanks, wrong Automaton!

<David2009> Interesting experiment! Reminds me of something I read concerning frying chicken: If the temperature of the oil is kept above 375C degrees, no oil will absorbed into the flour/breading on the chicken. I'm not kidding. A woman fried 40 whole chickens at 400C in the same oil. She measured the volume of oil before and after and found 99.8% was retained in the frying pan. She then fried 40-chickens at 350C and again measured the before/after volume of the oil and found 7% of the oil had been lost or absorbed into the flour/breading of the chickens.

Conclusion: Fried Chicken is not so bad for your health as long as its fried at a high enough temperature. Of course, this doesn't account for skinless chicken which is best of all.

Mar-25-14  SpiritedReposte: Capa's last two moves are magic!
Jan-09-16  TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in New York, New York on December 14, 1936.

Capablanca scored +28=3-1.

Source is <The Corzo Legacy>.

Premium Chessgames Member
  stoy: Is 20 Qxd5 correct? Rh1+ seems better.
Jan-10-16  sleepyirv: <stoy> 20.Qxd5 is almost certainly not right. Black may have played 19...Nxh7 in which case, Qxd5 would be the logical reply.
Jan-10-16  morfishine: <stoy> The score is wrong and if I'm not mistaken it somehow mysteriously changed over the past 5 years
Jan-10-16  TheFocus: The move made was 19...Nxh7, not 19...Kxj7.
Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 3)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 3 OF 3 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, is totally anonymous, and 100% free—plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, profane, raunchy, or disgusting language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate or nonsense posts.
  3. No malicious personal attacks, including cyber stalking, systematic antagonism, or gratuitous name-calling of any gratuitous name-calling of any members—including Admin and Owners—or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No malicious posting of or linking to personal, private, and/or negative information (aka "doxing" or "doxxing") about any member, (including all Admin and Owners) or any of their family, friends, associates, or business interests. This includes all media: text, images, video, audio, or otherwise. Such actions will result in severe sanctions for any violators.
  6. NO TROLLING. Admin and Owners know it when they see it, and sanctions for any trolls will be significant.
  7. Any off-topic posts which distract from the primary topic of discussion are subject to removal.
  8. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by Moderators is expressly prohibited.
  9. The use of "sock puppet" accounts in an attempt to undermine any side of a debate—or to create a false impression of consensus or support—is prohibited.
  10. All decisions with respect to deleting posts, and any subsequent discipline, are final, and occur at the sole discretion of the Moderators, Admin, and Owners.
  11. Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a Moderator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors. All Moderator actions taken are at the sole discretion of the Admin and Owners—who will strive to act fairly and consistently at all times.

This game is type: EXHIBITION. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
Closed Sicilian (B25) 1-0 Deflection, h-file attack
from 20 Movers Take Fredthebear 20 Moves by fredthebear
King's Indian Attack 7.Be3 (A07) 1-0 h-file attack, Deflection
from Sicilian Closed / Grand Prix Attack by brucemubayiwa
from schpalotz's favorite games by schpalotz
Closed Sicilian (B25) 1-0 Deflection, h-file attack
from yFTB's Decoy II, Deflection from, Remove the Def by fredthebear
Chess Miniatures, Collection XIV
by wwall
White wins on the h file with Q and rooks
from King Indian Attack by Johan C
King's Indian Attack 7.Be3 (A07) 1-0 h-file attack, Deflection
from Sicilian Closed / Grand Prix Attack by Patca63
Sicily _ Ne2
from 98_A07_King's Indian Attack by whiteshark
Rxh7+ Nxh7 <-- Qd5 unprotected
from TACTICS. DEFLECTION. by PinkLedDoor
Tactical Shots
by akatombo
14. Nf5+ gf5 15. Kxg2 fe4
from 70f5_middlegame N-SACS on f5 by whiteshark
October 14: Rather Not
from iking's GOTD collection by iking

home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | contact us

Copyright 2001-2019, Chessgames Services LLC